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doug_mel

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Posted: 04/06/08 09:53am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Hi, here's my question; should I use a relay or solenoid to cut power to my charge line for my 7 way trailer connector when the key is turned off. I can get a 30 amp relay from Napa for $3.99, a solenoid is $27.99. I'm not trying to cheap out, but if the relay will do the smae thing, I'd rather have the extra money in my pocket.


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Posted: 04/06/08 09:56am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

The solenoid is a bit more robust and would allow much more current. Most trucks are capable (at least supposedly) of providing 40 amps so I've always used the solenoid.


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You need to make sure that $3.99 relay is designed for continuous duty if you use it in that application. Of course, the same could be said about the solenoid. lou


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Posted: 04/06/08 10:07am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

For what it's worth, Ford uses a relay for the purpose on all of its trucks since the early 90s and they work just fine.


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Posted: 04/06/08 10:12am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Thanks for the quick answers. My wiring/fuse is rated for 30 amp, so I think I'll get the relay a and see how it works out.

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Posted: 04/06/08 10:28am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Actually, a relay is a solenoid, or a solenoid is a relay. In common useage, the solenoid has a higher current capacity. You will want one rated for "continuous duty", no matter which you choose, and be sure the capacity is adequate.


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One of the Bosch 30a relays should work fine. They are constant duty.


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mowermech wrote:

Actually, a relay is a solenoid, or a solenoid is a relay. In common useage, the solenoid has a higher current capacity. You will want one rated for "continuous duty", no matter which you choose, and be sure the capacity is adequate.

Right on and add

That a solenoid is an electro/mechanical device that uses electrical
power to move an armature.

A 'solenoid' in automotive terms usually refers to the starter solenoid,
which has to move lots of metal and some times against the gear teeth
that are not perfectly matched to mess. So it has to have enough force
to ram it in there....BUT....it's designed for short term use. The holding
current will be too large for the thermal rejection (heating it up
too much) of the design.

A relay uses a solenoid to move the armature, which has electrical
contacts. That either opens them or closes them on the electrical
circuit. Usually under 10 amps and if larger it's called a 'contactor'.
Though some consider 15, 20, 25, or more before it's called a contactor.
Their solenoids are designed to be energized all day (24/7) with
not heating problems.

Look for a 'relay' or 'contactor' of the correct size and voltage ratings.

Be sure to have the coil and contact circuits protected by either fuses
or circuit breakers.


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Posted: 04/06/08 11:52am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I used an 80A, continuous-duty solenoid (White-Rodgers, model# 70-111225-5). I bought it from Grainger (Grainger's part# 6C029).

Price was $27.25, and you can find it on their website or pick it up in their store.


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fishfinder wrote:

I used an 80A, continuous-duty solenoid (White-Rodgers, model# 70-111225-5). I bought it from Grainger (Grainger's part# 6C029).

Price was $27.25, and you can find it on their website or pick it up in their store.



And, IIRC, from NAPA--ST 11 or the ST 80 are the two most common solenoids. I can't remember exactly which one is continuous duty.

* This post was edited 04/06/08 12:52pm by bwtrump *


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