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Greentow

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Posted: 04/08/08 03:23pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Matthew B, thanks for the suggestion. Nothing else is going well in this state, so might as well try something.

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Supercharged wrote:

I have breakfast with a good friend who is a Navajo artist every few weeks, last time I asked him if his mother ever told him when he was a little boy and acting crazy, that he and his brothers ran around like a bunch of wild mid west farm boys. He said yes she did.
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JohnnyT wrote:

I am sorry you found the Four Corners Monument so un appealing. In terms of the monument itself. The location has always been Navajo and Ute Mountain Tribal Land. Navajo tribal funds were expended to construct the monument and viewing platform as well as the parking area, the paved access road along with the ongoing maintenance. I really doubt the $3 dollar fee covers all the expenses. Having been there when the four corners was an insignificant marker at the end of a dirt road I appreciate what has been done to make the attraction more significant. I have been visiting the four corners area since the 40's... I am from New Mexico. So every time I find myself acting a tour guide I will usually swing by there if it fits into our travels. The road in is paved and the large parking area is not but there is ample room for any sized motorhome.



I have never sampled the food at the monument site but do enjoy seeing the offerings and occasionally buying from the Navajo's that have stands to sell their wears... You will find an assortment of items ranging from inexpensive items to some fairly high quality Jewelry and pottery which is accordingly priced. I should add that the pricing is far less than these items can be bought at a trading post or dealer. You buy directly from the folks that make most of what is offered for sale. Actually more often than not its a family member or friend doing the selling but often the artist are in residence working on new creations.

The stands where Navajo's sell their wears are humble. but not ramshackle. They do serve as an enclosure to separate the Navajo's "store" fronts as well as providing shelter from the sun ... The "store" fronts have an extended overhang to keep shoppers out of the sun.

I am sure Tee shirts are sold there but I have not seen any for sale when we have visited there. But tee shirts have never been my focus. But its been a couple of years since we visited. Depending which route there are some scenic country which would include Shiprock which is of mythological significance to Navaho's if that is of any interest.

I can think of two reasons to visit the monument... One because its a unique place and the other that its a good place to shop for Navajo Jewelry and pottery. Another is that its a place that can be visited on the way....

I have meet two Native American store buyers from Oregon who have Four Corners on their buying trips.

From my perspective the "monument" and facilities are as good as they need to be.

JohnnyT
I want to thank Johnny Torres for this post and personal perspective which I'm sure took him some time to compose, but I now feel like I have a good handle on what to expect if and when I go to this National Landmark.

I, like most RVers are interested in American History, and perhaps shopping for authentic handmade non-commercialized to death creations.

Thanks again, Johnny!

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if in the area see it. we always see things if we are in the area as we might not get close again.


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Posted: 04/09/08 06:41pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

I felt the same way about Devils Tower and it is a national monument.

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wfr1 wrote:

There are some things worth seeing, and there are those that definitely need great improvement. With some fencing, paint, and sprucing up this would more than a little improved. Tacky is still tacky where ever you find it.
I have done business with several Northwest Native American Tribes during the past forty years. As I travel their lands I notice building and certain living conditions many might describe in less than favorable terms. However, they are a proud people and in most cases have done rather well considering the economic circumstances. It's not the building that makes the man, rather, it's the man that makes the building. Look beyond the parched paint and weathered wood and one will find extremely friendly, talented, and creative people. Oh, and I don't recall them ever breaking a treaty - where it's my understanding our government has never honored one.

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I am surprised that so many were disappointed with Four Corners. Did you not feel a historic thrill in being like Custer – surrounded by Native Americans wanting something from you?

Joking aside, we enjoyed the visit. The kids had fun being in different states at the same time. The best thing was the sand painting demonstration in the little visitor center. If you take the time to talk to the lady there, she can tell you much about Navajo culture. I have a couple of her works at home from our visits there. She collects rocks from the reservation and grinds them into sand. The colors are based on what type of rock it was. It was very interesting.

As far as the booths or lean-to’s are concerned, we have flee markets around here that look very similar… (I did enjoy seeing their wares.)


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THANKS JohnnyT & Dick A.

I strongly agree with your posts. We visited four corners in 2006 and it was for the experience of standing in 4 states at one time not the trappings around. Yes, the buildings aren't fancy but their content is generally top quality & reasonably priced. You won't get that combination at any "National Monument" souvenir shops.

If it had just been a brass spike, a level road to get there and an adequate gravel RV parking area $3.00 would have still be a reasonable fee compared to what most tourist traps charge.

Our government has been stealing from our Native Americans for years so don't knock it when they try to cover their operating expenses with a $3.00 fee.

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You can't even buy a gallon of gas for $3 dollars now. What is 3 dollars?


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We went a few years ago and they let us in for free as it was almost closing time. It wouldn't have killed me to cough up a few dollars to the tribe. We took pics and looked at the wares from the vendors. I don't know if I'd do it again but I'm glad I did it once.
If you think its a gouge, don't go to Royal Goouge, oh I mean Gorge. It cost us a lot more than three dollars to walk across the brige and have lunch.

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