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Matthew_B

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Posted: 04/12/08 08:09am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Skid Row Joe wrote:

I'd start looking for a higher paying job, if that's all you're paying income taxes on. Especially if I had a family depending on me. Times a wasting.


Who wouldn't want to find a higher paying job? I'm watching all the time.

The fact is, I'm in the 85th percentile for my profession.... Just job hopping won't do it. Do you have a suggestion on a carrier that beats electrical engineering that someone can jump into at just shy of 40?





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skipnchar wrote:

I think that there is very little doubt that RVing will soon be available only to the very wealthy. It MAY even become beyond their reach, not because of COST but because of the social conscious of the nation. In a time of dwindling resources it's actually pretty irresponsible to squander energy tooling around the country in gas guzzling vehicles just because we can. Until that time, I'll probably continue to do it but I KNOW it is a lot less than the moral thing to do.


For us full timers, our environmental impact and energy use is actually less than when we lived in a stick house.
We use fewer resources than we did when we lived in a stick house even though our motor home gas mileage is 7 MPG (33,000 mile average). The Honda does good - about 24 MPG average and we put less than 4000 miles per year on it.
Our numbers:
12 gallons of water per day versus 160 to 200 gallons per day for two people - average use. (http://ga.water.usgs.gov/edu/qahome.html#HDR3)

We use about 1500 gallons of gasoline per year.

Our sewage outflow is about the same as water usage (13 gallons per day)versus 160 to 200 gallons per day for the average two couple household.

250 KWH of electricity per month versus 500 to 1000 KWH average for two people.

About 200 gallons of propane per year - would be less but we spend a couple of months in CO in the fall with family and use the furnace some there.
I used close to 1500 gallons of fuel oil per year to heat my 3600 square foot house in NH and at least 1500 KWHs of electricity per month. We put about 4000 miles per year on the car versus 14,000 when we had the house.

The fuel and propane we use is offset by the fuel oil we used in the house. Water and electricity are quite a bit less, so it would seem to me that we are using considerably fewer resources in the motor home than we did in the house.


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Hi Rodney: IMO the price at the pump for diesel fuel is to high and I am looking at paying $4.50 for diesel for my summer travels. Here in Colorado our new governor wants to put 22 cents more per gal. on fuel and he also wants to increase the cost of the yearly license plates by $100. With all that said we still plan to travel this summer from a budget we have set aside and when the budget is gone we will just park it. Happy camping. Jim2007


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Jim2007 wrote:

Hi Rodney: IMO the price at the pump for diesel fuel is to high and I am looking at paying $4.50 for diesel for my summer travels. Here in Colorado our new governor wants to put 22 cents more per gal. on fuel and he also wants to increase the cost of the yearly license plates by $100. With all that said we still plan to travel this summer from a budget we have set aside and when the budget is gone we will just park it. Happy camping. Jim2007


This is probably just part of the conspiracy. So that you'll feel better when the governor retracts his plan.


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Just read that gasoline in Iraq is selling for 40 cents per gallon.

The high cost of crude is because of the low value of the dollar.

Oil is just like the other currencies that have risen dramatically over the dollar.

This is what happens when you try to run a country on a credit card.

I would like to see the cost of gasoline in other countries without taxes.


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Just blame GW, O'h but he doesn't know it's $4 gal..


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We had that Alaska trip scheduled this summer but the ferry price (They use Diesel fuel) for our rig jumped to $6,000 round trip and the Alcan is out because gas in Canada is even more than here.
We're still going but flying instead (if Alaska airlines doesn't go belly up too!) and renting a small SUV.
We had the money at last years prices and now will not make that even by cutting way back. Then the last insult is you can't give an RV away now, let alone sell it and get a decent price.
Our Rig should have been worth $50,000 but I doubt we could get ten for it now. The dealers hereabouts are crying blood.

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jerryspoolman wrote:

Just read that gasoline in Iraq is selling for 40 cents per gallon.

The high cost of crude is because of the low value of the dollar.

Oil is just like the other currencies that have risen dramatically over the dollar.

This is what happens when you try to run a country on a credit card.

I would like to see the cost of gasoline in other countries without taxes.



Oil is priced in dollars. We buy the same amount regardless off the value of the green back.

Now if you want to talk about hedging and commodities then I'll agree with you but the drop of the dollar does not affect our buying power in and of itself. Commodities are priced in dollars.

If they were priced in Euors we'd see even more price increases.


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canyonbound wrote:

Well there was 6 new permits for neclear plants last year. And they figure that may double in the near future. As for the all mighty folks not worrying about us little middle income folks, is because they wealthy have money, and some do not even pump gas so they have no idea how hard it is to make less than 100 grand a year, and support a family, and still have some sort of recreation. The green earth lobbiest control the politicians in a sense. Like they may make us all buy florescent bulbs. But yet they have no fear of the mercury in them. These bulbs really only last about as long as a regular light bulb. Burning at the same time. They are meant to burn about 4 hours at a time. I tried using them, and they last no longer than other bulbs. And some of them do not always work. Meaning sometimes they come on, and sometimes they do not. But next time they do. The oil companies have made huge profits, very huge profits. What I do not understand is, most companies, say they make a widget, that ends up costing the buyer a buck. The company sells enough to make a profit. The materials to make this widget goes up, until the company raises their prices they go into the negatives. So they raise the price. The profit margin rides equal to their costs. With oil they make profits so high that only Bill Gates can compete. But yet their margin is already way above the cost of production, so when there is an increase in the product, there is no need for a price hike across the board. In other words the profit margin should rise equally to the price of production, but yet it leaves it in the dust. That is the biggest farce, since global warming. sorry this subject gets me all flustered. Back to the mercury bulbs. In 20 to 30 years after we all use the mercury bulbs, how much will be free in the US? Enough for them to say well we need to change the bulbs again. Each bulb only uses a small amount of mercury, but multiply that by millions. They already complain of mercury in the waters. Now it will be in the land as well. If gas goes to high they will have us where they want us, everyone depending on them for everything. Food, housing, transportation, medical, and so on. Gotta get. Dinner time.


Canyonbound, I have not had that kind of experience with the NEW bulbs. Mine have always worked fine as I've never had a bad one. I replaced the 20 exterior (150 watt) spot lights at my California home with 20 new florescent light bulbs (13 watts giving out 100 watts of light). In 10 yrs, I have NOT REPLACED ONE OF THEM YET. So, my experience has been very different than yours.

I have 7 central air conditioning units (27 tons of air) and replaced 4 of them about 4 yrs ago. My summer utility bill dropped half with the newer efficient Carrier units. The older 3 units are in area's that are not used regularly but will get replaced when they go out (20 yr. old Carrier units).

MM.


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Rodney wrote:

I looked at some receipts that I kept yesterday. Four years ago, I paid $.90 a gallon for diesel. Yesterday, I paid $3.89 for a gallon of diesel. Almost 430% inflation. The cost of a gallon of gasoline has increased at about the same rate.
Rodney Wren


I gave up my guiding business because I couldn't afford the $8/gal pre-mix gas for this season. Four years ago I paid $5/gal delivered.

I sold everything except my small boat, the L1300 and my two remote cabins (which I've leased out to former clients) and moved aboard my sailboat in Mexico. We paid $2.20/gal for diesel there. We gunkholed and camped all the way to the Galapagos and back this winter, using less than $800 worth of diesel, paying $4.35 in Guatemala, $2.65 in Panama and $3 in Ecuador. The wind generator supplied us with plenty of battery power. I have saved several thousands of dollars by not driving. Rv'ing is an experience, and I'm glad we did it, but it's just not my lifestyle. I'm finally glad I made the changeover to the sailboat. Sure it's a lot of work, but infinitely more pleasure is derived from the beautiful Pacific sunsets.


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