Engineer9860 wrote: Oh man, now what are we going to do........
That danged old GMC 6.0L is going faster on the 15% grade at the 820' mark. Stupid GMC with it's smaller engine, and taller grandma gears, it aint supposed to do that.
Will what are we going to do? Looks like the GM 6.0L will out climb the V-10 towing 10,500lbs. The Phord has the giddy up go to get the load moving, but falls short keeping it moving. Doggonit, and I was rootin' for those 2 extra cylinders.
..just like the way you rooted for the extra displacement of that 8.1, back when you used to claim there was no replacement for displacement?
Here again, I guess there IS a replacement for displacement after all, as long as its a GM.
I guess since this GM 6.0 is soooo powerful, GM and Ford both better stop building the custom MH chassis using V10s or 8.1 V8s, and start using this small block V8.
LOL, just goes to show once again, you and I both can pick and chose specific statistics, comparisons, etc. to prove anything we want. But, once all the 'smoke and mirrors' are gone, and it comes down to which gasser engine is used most and preferred most for towing heavy loads...We all know the truth of the matter here, whether our brand loyalties will allow us to admit it or not.
Will
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As usual, most taking things in absolutes...or one size fits all...
There is more to than just displacement, OHC, OHV, CAM, in-line to V to
flat, gasser to diesel to propane to electric, gearing (diff and
tranny), weights, frontal area, Cx, etc, etc, etc.
It is whatever works for 'you', as that then factors in personal
opinion, knowledge and whatever wacky metrics developed over time.
I like big blocks over small blocks, but also know that adding extra
cylinders to increase the numbers of power strokes per rev, does wonders
for 'HP' numbers. It also increases the torque, but at higher rev's
than I'd like for 'towing' or anything needing (to me) low end torque.
GM has shelved their big block and hopefully for 'now', as they have
direct injection IP that *WILL* make a difference, but that is asking
bean counter management to use technological based decisions management
decisions.
Direct injection because the main issue with a big block is that the
squish area (CC....combustion chamber) is so large, there is unburned
fuel because of the quenching area of the metal CC. An other issue
is pre-ignition. A big block has so much power in a single charge,
that it will destroy itself sooner than a smaller charge (small block).
These are just 'some' of the issues and not unsolvable, but again,
bean counters rule our world and they have no to little knowledge of
the technology of which they make decisions...
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
True, but a slight/mild chip or programmer will take that advantage away and the torque on the diesel is so much flatter and at a slower rpm than the screaming gasser it's a no brainer. I've towed both with the older big block 460 V-8 gasser for over 100K miles and now with the PSD and there is no comparison. Your 35TQ advantage that you get when redlined my diesel is just at it's best mpg rpm. You have obviously never owned a diesel or towed with one or wouldn't be posting such nonsense. Also remember that extra $150 or so for every 1000 miles you are spending in gas over what I'm now saving even paying $1 more per gallon of fuel. Remember HP might get you there faster, but torque is what pulls and maintains you there pulling.
Larry
His nonsense doesn't come from not towing with a diesel, sure he did and he KNOWS it pulled better than his BB GM motor. To stay on topic, I think GM made a mistake getting rid of the 8.1, it was a great gas engine and if I had to settle for a gas engine, I would own one. Off topic though? First thing you have to know is that whatever "8.1 Van" owns is the best, period. He will post links, images and credits to make whatever HE owns to be the best. Second, he doesn't own a 8.1 Van because he wanted a gas over diesel, that was a by-product of his passenger requirements, they just happened to fall in line with the price changes in fuel. However he would have you believe that he was some sort of prophet when he sold his diesel. Third, if Toyota made a vehicle that was capable of meeting his passenger requirements and towing his TT, gas or diesel he would own it and IT would be the best towing, most powerful, reliable and supported product in his arsenal.
Countdown to being called an idiot, told to grow up, get a clue, get my head out of the sand, get my head out of my rear or being referred to as "pal"....
Sorry PSD, I just couldn't help it, just read too many posts recently with your torch in the subject matter of them.
2008 Cougar 310SRX 5th Wheel
2005 Dodge Ram 2500 QC 4x4 CTD
2008 Nissan Armada LE
BTW I just had a 12.1" DVD player put in my 8.1 van today at Circuit City today so the kids could watch movies and play games on our trip to Florida next month.
8.1 Van wrote: BTW I just had a 12.1" DVD player put in my 8.1 van today at Circuit City today so the kids could watch movies and play games on our trip to Florida next month.
Hdmi input? I am trying to find one like that so I can run DC and be able to run the 360 on the invertor. Thing is, through the lighter adapter the invertor can't run stable. I tried a 15" cheap insignia and it would run, but it would pop the invertor if I didn't have it running straight off the battery. By the way, my relative found one like yours with different seating. HARD to find vans right now though. Can't believe gm dropped that engine from the burbs...
No HDMI, in the owners manual it says it has 2400x480 resolution so it will not do HD. It has a wireless game controller with 30 built-in old Nintendo type games.
gm seller wrote: I love my 8.1L it pulls great and is not a high RPM engine highest torque is at 3200. I would have loved to have a duramax but I could not justify the added cost. Sure the diesels last longer but the rest of the truck don't. Right now the resale value on any diesel is terrible no used car lots want them because they can't sell them. Things will change soon when fuel prices come back down.
Boy is this the truth! I had my pristine GMC 8.1 2500HD SLT 4x4 Extended Cab for sale for three months before it sold. Purchased it new about 2 years ago for $32,000 and added $5000 in upgrades. It only had 17,500 miles on it, but I kept dropping the price to get it sold. Finally settled for $23,000, which was about what the dealer offered me for trade-in at the time I purchased my diesel. The first question asked by potential buyers was "What is the gas mileage?"
Loved that truck but I also like the way the diesel pulls.
Nash 27 T pulled by a 2008 EC LB GMC 3500HD SLT 4x4 DMAX and Allison.
Rock2 wrote: By the way you guys are right. They do not make 8.1 chevy engine anymore. In the past they did have in 3500 series truck. A friend of mine he said he thinks they stopped making 8.1 in 2004 or before. So I guess that is something for me to think about diesel. I just found out that Dodge and Ford have a special promotion. They offer 4500 - 5000 dollars off if you buy a new truck. That sound not too bad. I know diesel is about dollar more but 5000 dollars off (avg price for diesel 7000 dollars). Thanks for your sharing your thought or input.
The 8.1L was available all the way to the 07 classic design not the new style truck
2006 GMC Sierra SLT 2500HD crew cab 8.1 with 6 speed allison
2007 Keystone Laredo 32rs
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Well, things certainly tamed down a bit on this thread. I thought it was just getting started. I too, have been down the Duramx road and have driven the 8.1 in a friends "chipped" and exhaust enhanced chevy, that thing hauls ---! that engine will be missed. The emission requirements are only just beginning their assault on the hauler portion of the market. These are interesting times and IMHO a growing number folks who want power without worrying about the cost of fuel are going to turn to stange beasts (commercial) to pull their heavy trailers.
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