I asked at the licence office if I needed an inspection sticker and they told me no because it's not commercial. But I had been told by others that I did need it. I called MTO and when I finely got a call back from the person in the know the answer was. "If you never unhook your fifth wheel then it's an RV and you don't need a sticker, but as soon as you unhook it's now a truck and you do need a sticker".
2001 Golden Falcon 35RLTS
1997 Ford 350 Power Stroke D/W
My 3500 is registered at 4500KG so I'm exempt from the annual. When I'm hooked to my fiver, I'm over my "registered" weight, but at that point I believe that there is some RV exemption somewhere (which Falcon5 alluded to) that covers the situation.
The trick is to make sure that your registered for 4500KG or less, and that you receive the little red "Primarily used for personal transportation" sticker for your license plate. These two things together should remedy most problems with people in this situation.
However, as soon as you do anything legitimately commercial, be prepared to up your registered GVWR to your actual weights, pay the price on your plates, and then have to get an annual done every year.
This will be a cluster if I get stopped up there cause I have a farm tag on TV. I am leagle here but wonder about other countries. Guess I will find out cause here I come.
Gene"n"Betty 2003 G.M.C. 3500 S.L.T.ext cab dually duramax/allison
2006 32ft Open Road 3 slides. Just the Wife, me and Dusty a loud mouth Parrot.
The trick is to make sure that your registered for 4500KG or less, and that you receive the little red "Primarily used for personal transportation" sticker for your license plate. .
I just saw that sticker today on a truck. I had not seen or heard of it before. How does a person go about receiving one?
Thanks Will
2001 Newmar Kountry Star 34BLDS 2001 Ford F350 CC SRW V10
The trick is to make sure that your registered for 4500KG or less, and that you receive the little red "Primarily used for personal transportation" sticker for your license plate. .
I just saw that sticker today on a truck. I had not seen or heard of it before. How does a person go about receiving one?
Thanks Will
When you register a heavy truck at the 4500KG limit (or less) the sticker should have been applied at the time you got the plates for it.
If your registered over 4500KG right now, take your plates into your local MTO office and adjust your registration down to (or below) the 4500KG limit. You'll remove your annual requirement, and they should put the sticker on your plate then and there. If not, remind them.
You do need to sign a certificate "confirming" that you are only going to use the vehicle for "personal transportation" before they'll provide the sticker, but that's just procedural.
When you register a heavy truck at the 4500KG limit (or less) the sticker should have been applied at the time you got the plates for it.
If your registered over 4500KG right now, take your plates into your local MTO office and adjust your registration down to (or below) the 4500KG limit. You'll remove your annual requirement, and they should put the sticker on your plate then and there. If not, remind them.
You do need to sign a certificate "confirming" that you are only going to use the vehicle for "personal transportation" before they'll provide the sticker, but that's just procedural.
Now I'm confused (as always with our laws and MTO regs) . My truck has always been registered under the 4500KG limit and I've never been given or offered the sticker. My truck is registered at 3000KG and I see no reason to increase it to the 4500kg limit because even if I do that would still not make me legal since the Ontario regs require that the total weight of a towed trailer over 2800kg must be added to the truck weight for the truck to be correctly registered. That means that I would have to register my truck for 10900kg to be correctly registered, casuing me all sorts of other grief with respect to annual inspections.
Curiously I saw the sticker for the first time today and it was on a Toyota Tacoma which can hardly be called a "Heavy Truck"
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I did some digging on the MTO website tonight on this topic just to confirm things.
Quoting some key areas:
Vehicles That Are Exempt From Inspection
A Daily Vehicle Inspection Is Not Required On:
# a truck with a registered gross weight and an actual weight of 4,500 kg or less, whether towing a trailer or not and regardless of the trailer's weight,
# a personal use pick-up truck,
...
Recreational Vehicles
* a motor home and a truck camper with the camper installed, including any type of trailer or vehicle towed by the motor home or truck camper,
* a truck, regardless of size and weight, that is towing a house trailer that is being used for personal purposes,
* a house trailer being used for personal purposes, and
* a car tow dolly.
Details on the "Personal use pickup truck section:
personal use pickup truck
means a pickup truck;
* that has a manufacturer’s gross vehicle weight rating of 6,000 kg (13,227 lb) or less, and
* is fitted with either,
o the original box that was installed by the manufacturer, which has not been modified, or
o a replacement box that duplicates the one that was installed by the manufacturer, which has not been modified.
and
* is being used for personal purposes without compensation, and
* is not carrying, or towing a trailer that is carrying commercial cargo or tools or equipment of a type normally used for commercial purposes.
Note:
* the personal use pickup exemption applies regardless of the pickup's registered gross weight or any actual weights of the pickup or trailer.
* a pickup that is normally used for business purposes, including a farm plated pickup, qualifies as a personal use pickup if it complies with and is being used in accordance with the personal use pickup rules above.
* a trailer that is normally used for business purposes qualifies as a personal use trailer if it complies with and is being used in accordance with the rules above and is towed with a personal use pickup.
* some 450 and 550 series cab and chassis trucks are converted to large pickups or are fitted with fifth wheels for towing house or other types of trailers. This type of truck does not qualify as personal use pickup because the vehicle manufacturer did not install the box and the manufacturer's gross vehicle weight rating will likely be over 6,000 kg. If the registered gross weight or actual weight of this type of truck is over 4,500 kg, the truck and any towed trailer, including a personal use trailer, are subject to daily inspection. However, this type of truck is exempt when towing a personal-use house trailer.
The following considerations may assist in determining whether a pick-up is being used for personal use:
* pick-ups towing house trailers, camper trailers, boat trailers, all terrain vehicle and snowmobile trailers, etc. used for recreational purposes are examples of personal use trailers.
* stockcar and racecar trailers, when operated for recreational purposes, are normally considered personal, even though a purse may be involved in the racing.
As I interpret that, so long as your not legitimately using the truck for commercial purposes, can register your truck for 4500KG or less without actually being over that while unladen (shouldn't be a problem for most people) then the trailer (so long as it's "house trailer" as our RV's qualify for) are exempt from needing to be included in the registered plate weight.
Add in the daily inspection and annual exclusions, and so far as you fall under the "personal use" restrictions, RV'ers should be home free to escape annuals/inspection requirements.
Now, as for maximum weights under license classes, that's another ball of wax - some RV'ers in Ontario may find themselves falling under all the above exclusions for their TV licensing and GVWR issues, but actually be over the allowable weights for their class G licenses. I'm an AZ licensed driver myself so I've never concerned myself with it, but others may want to take heed - some RV'ers in Ontario have found out the hard way that they require a class D license to be legal with their large RV's.
The MTO page that this is all quoted from is HERE. All Ontario-licenced RV'ers using HD TV's may well be advised to print this out and keep it in your glove box - if you ever get pulled over as the OP did you can arm yourself with the very paperwork that would quite possibly either stop the problem at the roadside, or make the officer/inspector realize that you know your rights, are within them, and will fight the ticket if you are fined regardless.
Privatepilot thats the weblinks I'm also looking at as well. Have a look at this though, with repsec tot registered truck weight on how to calculate the weight we must register our trucks for carefully and you will read that we must add the totoal trailer and truck weights together to get our truck registered weight if our trialers are over 288kgs Determining registerd gross weights
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gitane59 wrote: Privatepilot thats the weblinks I'm also looking at as well. Have a look at this though, with repsec tot registered truck weight on how to calculate the weight we must register our trucks for carefully and you will read that we must add the totoal trailer and truck weights together to get our truck registered weight if our trialers are over 288kgs Determining registerd gross weights
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If you have the "personal use" exemption the website seems to indicate the opposite - trailer weight need not be included in the GVWR.
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