I am sending this to all my friends & family with dogs. I put K9 Advantix on Ginger & Rowdy, my toy poodles, on Tuesday afternoon. By the time we got home on Tuesday night, Ginger was in a full
adverse reaction. She's exhibiting the "bent tail" and is twitching uncontrollably. Took Ginger to vet, gave us Valium for "anxiety". We're also giving her children's Benadryl.
By Thursday, Rowdy is exhibiting symptoms.
We went back to vet on Saturday. They both have had cortisone injections, a "skin flush" (they flushed a bunch of water under their skin trying to get rid of the toxin).
They're now both on a muscle relaxant and Prednisone. We are still having problems, not getting much relief. I just wanted everyone to know of our issues and to warn all to be aware of these in case you use this treatment for your own dogs and have any similar symptoms.
The link below is a forum I found where others have experienced these as well.
Wow! Lots of bad experiences on that forum. I've been using it for years on 5 different dogs from a 12 lb pom mix to a 70 lb pure bred greyhound. Never saw any cause for concern. Guess I need to have a talk with my vet.
First and foremost I hope your dogs recover and make their way back to being healthy again.
There has been numerous reports about most of these one-time application to the skin products.
They were created for the sole purpose of 'making it easy for the OWNERS', they are ALL pesiticides. Just like combo shots were designed for the ease of the owner, and have caused havoc in many breeds.
We are all careful of walking our pets on lawns that have been recently treated with ferilizers and pesiticides, yet most think nothing of placing 'concentrated' amounts directly on our pets largest organ the 'skin'.
FDA, EPA all have written reports/warnings on these products.There have been no long term studies and all state that they can cause cancer and are poisons. And toy breeds are especially vulnerable as are many specific breeds.
Here is just 'part' of the label
Active Ingredients
% By Weight
Imidacloprid; 1-(6-Chloro-3-pyridinyl) methyl-N-nitro-2-imidazolidinimine
8.8%
Permethrin*
44.0%
Other Ingredients????????
47.2%
Total
100.0%
*cis/trans ratio: Max 55% (±) cis and min 45% (±) trans
KEEP OUT OF REACH OF CHILDREN
WARNING
See below for first aid and precautionary statements.
PRECAUTIONARY STATEMENTS HAZARDS TO HUMANS
Causes eye irritation. Harmful if swallowed. Do not get in eyes or on clothing. Avoid contact with skin. Wash hands thoroughly with soap and warm water after handling.
HAZARDS TO DOMESTIC ANIMALS
For external use on dogs only.
Do not use on animals other than dogs.
Do not use on puppies under seven weeks of age. Do not get this product in dog's eyes or mouth. As with any product, consult your veterinarian before using this product on debilitated, aged, pregnant or nursing animals. Individual sensitivities, while rare, may occur after using ANY pesticide product for pets. If signs persist, or become more severe, consult a veterinarian immediately. If your animal is on medication, consult your veterinarian before using this or any other product.
DO NOT USE ON CATS
Due to their unique physiology and inability to metabolize certain compounds, this product must not be used on cats. If applied to a cat, or ingested by a cat which actively grooms a recently treated dog, this product may have serious harmful effects. If this occurs contact your veterinarian immediately.
For consumer questions call 1-800-255-6826.
For medical emergencies call 1-877-258-2280.
Environmental Hazards
This product is extremely toxic to fish. Do not add directly to water. Do not contaminate water when disposing of product or packaging.
First Aid
Have the product container or label with you when calling a poison control center or doctor, or going for treatment.
If in eyes: Hold eye open and rinse slowly and gently with water for 15-20 minutes. Remove contact lenses, if present, after the first 5 minutes, then continue rinsing eye. Call a poison control center or doctor for treatment advice.
If swallowed: Call poison control center or doctor immediately for treatment advice. Have person sip a glass of water if able to swallow. Do not induce vomiting unless told to do so by the poison control center or doctor. Do not give anything by mouth to an unconscious person.
If on skin or clothing: Take off contaminated clothing. Rinse skin immediately with plenty of water for 15-20 minutes. Call a poison control center or doctor for treatment advice.
To Physician: Treat the patient symptomatically.
Directions for Use
It is a violation of Federal Law to use this product in a manner inconsistent with its labeling.
Do not contaminate feed or food.
How to Apply
1. Use only on dogs. DO NOT USE ON CATS or on other animals.
Yet many still choose to apply this concentration directly to the skin of dogs.
Pet owners need to read, read, read and read all the inserts and labels on these new emerging products that are meant to make life easier for the "OWNERS". Just having your vet say it's ok is not the answer anymore, the market is being flooded with new products that do not have long term studies as they are not required to do so by FDA and EPA.
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edited 05/13/08 07:55am by rockhillmanor *
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so as to have the life that is waiting for us.
I certainly hope you are not chastizing (sp?) me. I feel bad enough as it is.
I simply posted this as a warning to others. Truth be told, Ginger has had several "reactions", but we NEVER tied it to the flea and tick product. I just wanted to let others know of our experience in case they've had one and can now go "Ah ha!" or to keep others from going thru what we, or more importantly, my dogs, have gone thru.
So, no more flea and tick product from now on. I just need to find something "natural" (if there is such a thing) as we are hosting in an area that is loaded with both fleas and ticks.
I had an interesting experience on this last road trip... We went to Oklahoma and were out in the sticks, you might say, spending time in a location that is just loaded with ticks. I pulled Lord knows how many off of me, mostly before they bit... and as an interesting aside, if you put them in a bottle of Perrier water they die, while in a regular water bottle they'll walk around under water for hours... anyway only one got attached so I'm hopefull I'll survive.
But that's not the really interesting part. The really interesting part is that I had Hal and Tig with me. Hal was at one time a poorly nourished, allergic, scrawny, tick magnet with a coat like a brillo pad. Now, however, she's a big, healthy, glossy coated nuisance who eats raw food just like Sissy and has very few issues. And in the past couple of years I have noticed more and more that although we go places where there must be fleas and ticks, I don't find them on the dogs. This time was no exception. I was crawling out of my skin, and yet never found a tick on either dog, though they were right there with me. And yes, I looked! Still looking.
I'd read years ago that animals on a natural, healthy diet... animals that are really in good shape... do not attract parasites the way that less healthy animals will. Its the only explanation I can find at this point. Not that I'm complaining or anything, but I'm wondering if I need to start eating a pound of raw cow per day before my next spring trip to OK.
Anyway, just thought I'd throw that in as a little food for thought, so to speak.
susan
What I want to know is, when are they going to start selling Comfort Zone for HUMANS????? 'Cause some days...
I've used on our own dogs and prescribed both advantage and advantix for years and have had only a handful of reactions, none as severe as you have seen. They can happen and Rockhillmanor has highlighted the valid reasons for informed use.
I feel compelled to offer another view, valid reasons to consider use of these products.
While reactions do occurs, they are very infrequent - doesn't help if it is your dog or cat (in the case of advantage) that has the reaction.
While you may get anecdotal reports of "natural" remedies being effective, none works uniformly or routinely.
There is a real risk to doing nothing. Dogs and/or cats routinely get tapeworms, lyme disease, ehrlichiosis, rocky mountain spotted fever, and other diseases and parasites carried by fleas or ticks.
There may be a net decrease in the exposure to "pesticides" and a net decrease in environmental contamination. I don't remember the last time I recommended that a client "bomb" their house with a fogger. Advantage and Frontline are so effective that we just about never have to exterminate a house or yard. There is certainly very little run off from the animals.
The other consideration is the comfort of the dog or cat. Any of you who have pets with flea allergy know the extreme discomfort they endure. Regular use of advantage has tremendously reduced the amount and degree of discomfort these individuals suffer.
Like so many things, be informed, weigh the risks vs. rewards and chose what you feel comfortable with.
Doug, DVM
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I have a dog that has AIHA. We think the trigger was an allergy to fleas as she would pull her hair out if she got one and constantly scratched then. I used Frontline on her last year and then learned that it doesn't repel fleas, only kills them once they are on her. As a result, I went back to a flea spray. In August after I took her to have her shots done and she collapsed a couple of days later. I do not use Frontline or any flea spray on her now. What I have done is put a flea collar on her, give her a little bologna, but I think the most effective thing is washing her with a coal tar shampoo. You can find a 2% version at Walmart or you can buy Neutragena 4% - it's a dandruff shampoo. The tar repels insects and it also soothes the skin. There is an animal version but I don't remember the name. Used to be that head lice rememdies had a coal tar base that killed the lice and kept them from hatching. Old dandruff shampoos also had tar in them - Tegrin was probably the most popular. This year, she seems to be doing okay and I haven't seen any scratching.
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I hardly think anyone could chastise you for sharing your experience.
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