767CAPT
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jasona33xj wrote:The thing that really sucks is the illigal dumping that is probally occuring. I have been to places that people leave furniture, trash, you name it in areas and the off road community has to suffer becouse of it! That stuff is so frustrating. We have done clean ups in the areas near Calico and Johnson Valley and the stuff we pulled out of there was terrible.
True. However, almost every time we've been to Johnson Valley or Ocotillo Wells, we have seen fellow off-roaders burning pallets, leaving trash in fire rings, leaving signs behind, etc. Add all those little things together, and it can make us look pretty ugly. Just gives the enviro-wackos more ammo to shut us down.
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reno82
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767CAPT wrote:True. However, almost every time we've been to Johnson Valley or Ocotillo Wells, we have seen fellow off-roaders burning pallets, leaving trash in fire rings, leaving signs behind, etc. Add all those little things together, and it can make us look pretty ugly. Just gives the enviro-wackos more ammo to shut us down.
That's why my family takes extra garbage bags with us. We make a habit of cleaning our area and the area around us that others leave a mess. If all of us who respect our right to ride would do a little extra, we may lessen the impact of those who just don't care. I know it's a PITA but maybe....just maybe we will give someone else the idea and it will grow.
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nwcutie
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Yep! We do that too - especially when the kids are wound and the adults are not - we send the kids out with gloves and trash bags. It is amazing and infuriating what people leave! YUCKY!
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767CAPT wrote:jasona33xj wrote:The thing that really sucks is the illegal dumping that is probably occurring. I have been to places that people leave furniture, trash, you name it in areas and the off road community has to suffer because of it! That stuff is so frustrating. We have done clean ups in the areas near Calico and Johnson Valley and the stuff we pulled out of there was terrible.
True. However, almost every time we've been to Johnson Valley or Ocotillo Wells, we have seen fellow off-roaders burning pallets, leaving trash in fire rings, leaving signs behind, etc. Add all those little things together, and it can make us look pretty ugly. Just gives the enviro-wackos more ammo to shut us down.
we have lots of COE projects in my part of the state and we see much the same probs where public axcess is involved. Off roaders come in during the wet spells and cut the turf up so bad a regular 4x4 cannot axcess into the area. With over 40" of rain average a year this leads to erosion probs which leads to public axcess closures. Off road community shoots themselves in the foot with those kind of problems. The counties SDs that have big COE projects usually ask the public to report tags and vehicle descriptions and caution anyone not to attempt any confrontation. Lots of off road wackos out here go armed "cause they can" and not because they need to.
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reno82 wrote:
just maybe we will give someone else the idea and it will grow.
Bingo!
About the best thing any of us can do as individuals is lead by example. Show others the right thing to do is to stay on trails and pick up after yourself... and then some.
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Richard cheese
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isnt that a highly traffiked area for illegal aliens too? leaving blankets, diapers, etc???
yeah EFFE the CBD..they are all lawyers.....the biggest land closures i have ever witnesses have occurred in OFF ROAD RIDING AREAS in the last year..
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Richard cheese
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and how do they know it is the "off roaders" ? didthey personally witness who dumped it? then how do they know who did it? can they prove it is the off-road community that did it..?
its like burning down someone's house and blaming them
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there are ohv clean ups all the time in az, and mostly picking up trash that people dumped or that shooters left there, they bring old tvs shoot them leave trash, then tree huggers say it was the off roaders..
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Richard cheese
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if it is public accessible land, then one group cannot be blamed, unless proven
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sheep + people = sheeple
sheeple = those who blindly follow without asking questions or doing their own research.
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