ATVhaulin
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I saw a news story the other day about a growing electronics problem. It is called "zinc whiskers". It is not something new, but the problem has been showing up more and more as electronics get smaller. Until they come up with some kind of solution, it will only get worse. Ed
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Rick Jay
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ATVhaulin,
Thanks for an interesting thought. Here's what Wikipedia says about Whiskering. Apparently, this is something we will have to face. I suspect as our IC chips get smaller, we'll see these failures earlier in the product cycle because the distances they will need to "grow" to create problems will be less.
08viewh, Sorry to hear of your problem, and we're not suggesting "whiskering" was the cause of your failure. In my experience, one of the number one causes of premature electronic module failure is improper heat dissipation. It's possible your module was not installed correctly at the factory, and hopefully the new one will serve you a good, long time.
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visch1
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"Not sure what the Germans are up to as far as quality here . . . I hope they get these problems figured out."
I was very surprised when I saw the CR rating of MOST German cars regarding reliability going back a # of years. They remind me of US cars of the '80s. I read somewhere that a lot of these poor ratings are due to electronic problems which still are widespread but getting better(?)
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davemittan
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Off this topic of the module problem, but on the topic of "Winnebago View: The good...and bad":
I want to carry 3 quarts of MB approved oil along with us - just to take care of normal consumption. I took the list from the owner's manual to 3 different auto parts stores. They didn't have any of the oils shown on the list.
But that list had a Mopar 5W30 oil and a part number for same. So I had our local Chrysler dealer order it. $11.50 a quart.
Must be a synthetic.
Oh well.....
Dave
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Mr. October
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davemittan wrote:Off this topic of the module problem, but on the topic of "Winnebago View: The good...and bad" :
I want to carry 3 quarts of MB approved oil along with us - just to take care of normal consumption. I took the list from the owner's manual to 3 different auto parts stores. They didn't have any of the oils shown on the list.
But that list had a Mopar 5W30 oil and a part number for same. So I had our local Chrysler dealer order it. $11.50 a quart.
Must be a synthetic.
Oh well.....
Dave . . you won't need to carry 3 quarts. I carry 2 and have only ever used 1. I don't remember what is on the list in the manual but I found one of the "approved" ones at Wal-mart. Ultimately, after the first oil change the Sprinter tech used Mobil1 0W40. So that is what I now carry. Two quarts from Autozone for $6.00 each.
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davemittan
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Our local Wal-Mart didn't have any that were on the list - neither did the local AutoZone. (We're in a sparsely populated area)
I'd like to know what was in the crankcase when it was manufactured.
Probably synthetic, right?
Dave
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ron.dittmer
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Rick Jay wrote:ATVhaulin,
Thanks for an interesting thought. Here's what Wikipedia says about Whiskering. Apparently, this is something we will have to face. I suspect as our IC chips get smaller, we'll see these failures earlier in the product cycle because the distances they will need to "grow" to create problems will be less. ~Rick Not intending to change the topic of this thread.......
But tin whiskers on electronics is going to become more an issue as the years pass. Yes, chips get smaller with only 0.004" between adjacent exposed connections on circuit boards, which will intensify the problem.
One more influence is the global effort to reduce lead content in all consumer and commercial electronic products. Lead Free solder is now a big focus. Lead free solder has more tin, so tin whisker growth will accellerate. Lead free solder is more brittle too, so there will be more cracked solder joints than before.
I understand the aero-space still uses leaded solder, so what does that tell you?
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Cool Mike
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I wonder how UPS is getting along with these trucks, they have lots of them in Calif. and maybe other states. To bad you cant find out from them, about there reliability with this platform.
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Mr. October
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Cool Mike wrote:I wonder how UPS is getting along with these trucks, they have lots of them in Calif. and maybe other states. To bad you cant find out from them, about there reliability with this platform.
A lot of us owner have done that. It is an extremely reliable platform capable of logging literally millions of miles. The Sprinter platform has been used for many years in Europe and in the US as delivery trucks, work trucks, and ambulances.
As I mentioned, with all the electronic sensors and mumbo jumbo, there is a good bit of infant mortality. But the whole thing is designed to not have catastrophic failures and leave you stranded somewhere. Limp-home mode is generally considered better then stuck-on-the-side-of-the-road mode.
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Wayne Dohnal
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But that list had a Mopar 5W30 oil and a part number for same. So I had our local Chrysler dealer order it. $11.50 a quart.
There have been a few threads about this on the Yahoo View Navion Tech forum, along with reports that the oil is under $7 a quart from a Mercedes dealer. It's Mobil 1 ESP oil that meets MB Spec 229.51 .
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