outdoorsman2007 wrote: Well to put it this way, I'm not a member of the weight police but a 19,000 lbs GVWR is an aweful lot
No debate and if I were going to put a pair of Goldwings or something heavy in the back I would not be using my truck. As I said, we are buying it for the floorplan, not to haul -- and it will NOT be towed (by me at least) anywhere near it's GVWR. That's what will make me a target for the casual comments though... with the triple axle it LOOKS darn heavy even though it's not. Again, I'll know when I put it on a scale. Others will look at the trip-axle or read the sticker and ASSUME that I'm an idiot.
Dave Lindemulder
Tammy, Mark & Kirsten
04 Dodge 2500 4x4 SLT QC/SB
HO-CTD/48RE - Graphite: Raptor SS nerfs, Prodigy, Reese 16K Kwik-slide, BD X-Monitor, PML Trans pan, PML Diff cover, Firestone Airbags
09 Heartland Cyclone 3210
donn0128 wrote: Lets see now,
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Your trucks ready to camp weight? I will guess 7000 pounds to be consertative
New trailers GVWR 19,000? I assume this is a fiver so that seems to indicate a pin weight of what? Something like 3800 pounds?
No matter how you slice this up...
My truck is 7700#
I currently carry a 1400# pin 4500# steer, 4600# drive.
The way I slice it is that I'll tow the actual weight, not the max - so I'm expecting a 2600# pin, not 3800#. That will put another 1200# on the drive axle = 5800#. That's OK on the wheels (3600#), OK on the tires (3190#), and OK on the axle itself (6000#)
No guarantees here, but I am guessing that your truck has a GCWR of 20,000 pounds? So if that number is correct and you subtract your scaled weight of 7700 pounds from the 20K that leaves you with a scant 12,300 pounds. Which is 700 pounds lighter than your guess of the loaded ready to camp weight? Am I correct so far?
Like I said before from your original post you are looking for people who will tell you what you want to hear not anybody else. So good luck hauling that monster around.
outdoorsman2007 wrote: Well to put it this way, I'm not a member of the weight police but a 19,000 lbs GVWR is an aweful lot
No debate and if I were going to put a pair of Goldwings or something heavy in the back I would not be using my truck. As I said, we are buying it for the floorplan, not to haul -- and it will NOT be towed (by me at least) anywhere near it's GVWR.
Don't haulers have a rather heavy pin so that when you put 3000#+ in the rear it balances it out? The entire garage is rear of the axles yes? I suspect your pin might be more than your estimated 20% and put your tires over. You might actually do better with some toys loaded up. BTW I am not part of the WP.
2001 F150 SuperCrew 5.4 Lariat Offroad 4x4 Tow Package 4.10 Truetrac
2006 Keystone Springdale 249FWBHLS
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Dave
we all know how RV.netters load per GVWR. Try your state real weight police NJ DOT for there input on their interpretation of your 2500 trucks weight numbers regarding pin weight on your truck.
Jim
'03 2500 Dodge/Cummins HO 3.73 6 speed manual Jacobs
'97 Park Avanue 28' with two slides
donn0128 wrote: .. I am guessing that your truck has a GCWR of 20,000 pounds?
Like I said before from your original post you are looking for people who will tell you what you want to hear not anybody else. So good luck hauling that monster around.
I've got to look around for the CGWR, honestly I'm not sure what it is and that is worth knowing I agree.
I guess I'm also not clear how you conclude I only want people to agree with me? The actual premise of my post is that I'm thinking more people might venture to call me overloaded because of the trip-axle and high gross than say... someone who has a quad-slide and a less apparent actual weight than I'll have.
I don't mind batting the numbers around or debating the impact of differences between similar trucks. Now that I think of it though... I did pre-empt the "the sticker says so, so no other engineering can beat a sticker" idea... which does mean I'm not much concerned with those who disagree with this on that basis. So maybe you are right on two counts.
Unfortunetly I am in much the same place, 3/4 ton 2006 HR Savoy fifth wheel max 12500. I am actually at 11,700 "loaded" but the pin weight came in at 2900#
I leave lots of room on the road in front of me, don't exceed 55 mph, air bags, full banks, 430 gears. I've pulled the Grapevine a number of times as it is 2 miles north of home. I'm not bragging nor justifying my set up but reality is I can not afford a new truck payment, especailly a 1 ton dually oil burner.
I tow a hauler with a 3/4 ton that has a spec'd dry weight of 10,745 lbs and have tires rated at 3195 lbs each so I'm towing something similar to what your looking at.
I have multiple weight tickets that give me comfort that I'm under on my rear tires and CGWR.
The thing that makes me most nervous about the setup you're looking at is the design that would lead to the 19K GVWR. As smkettner says, toy haulers start out with a heavy pin and you load them in the back to balance them out. If yours has a CCC of 8000+ lbs I would worry that they are expecting you to put A LOT of weight in the back to balance it out, and hence, the unit will be designed to start out with potentially a very heavy pin.
Another thing to think about is that that the way you're talking about loading your rig, you'll probably fill up the front compartment and have options such as a front mounted generator, which will also be biased toward the front, rather than consistent with a 20% front weight distribution.
Mine, with a GVWR of 15,500 lbs, starts out with a spec'd 22% pin weight. Yours... something to look carefully at. I wouldnt be suprised to see 25-30% starting pin given that huge CCC.
TF36DSMatt wrote: ... I'm towing something similar to what your looking at.
I have multiple weight tickets that give me comfort that I'm under on my rear tires and CGWR.
The thing that makes me most nervous about the setup you're looking at is the design that would lead to the 19K GVWR. ...I wouldnt be suprised to see 25-30% starting pin given that huge CCC.
I guess I'll know that when I know that and decide what's next accordingly. DW told me the GVWR is "only" 18,000# (not sure where I got the 19K number) and the rear compartment says it can "only" hold 2000#... I will also have a few weight tickets on this setup before I'm done.
Hold up here. So far this discussion has centered on a different set of numbers. IF and this is a BIG IF the trailer has a GVWR of 18,000 pounds and a load capacity in the toy box of only 2,000 pounds, by some simple reasoning, then the manufacturer is saying there is only maybe 3500 to 4000 pounds of total load carrying capacity. IF that is the case, then 18,000 minus 4,000 gives you a 14,000 pound weight before you add anything to it. Which means that all our discussions to this point are moot as you are so far beyond a 2500's capabilities it isn't even funny any longer.
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