JustLabs wrote: How many times does the poor guy have to tell you people he will not be towing the trailer at the 19k lb GVWR?
If he is rated for 13,100 and hes is going to tow at less than that,whats the problem?
Even if you call the pin weight on 13,000 at 25% thats only 3250lbs. With the hitch in the bed,and bigger tires I'm only at 3200lbs for rear axle weight. I'd be willing to bet his truck has a very similar axle weight. Add the pin weight to the rear axle weight and he is right at the RAWR of 6400lbs thats set by Dodge.
Once again,the AAM axle in his truck is rated my AAM at almost 2x that weight. So he is a LONG way from overloading the axle.
If it were me,I'd get some higher rated tires and go enjoy the new fiver.
Without actual weights we're all speculating. Somebody made a good point. . . this TH is balanced to be stable with heavy toys loaded in the garage, so there is a chance that not loading anything back there (to keep the total vehicle weight down) could actually cause a disproportionately high pin weight.
2005 Chevrolet Silverado 2500HD Crew Cab SB LS 6.0L 4x4 4.10
DW, DD (May, 2007), DS (October, 2008), and me
JustLabs wrote: How many times does the poor guy have to tell you people he will not be towing the trailer at the 19k lb GVWR?
If he is rated for 13,100 and hes is going to tow at less than that,whats the problem?
Even if you call the pin weight on 13,000 at 25% thats only 3250lbs. With the hitch in the bed,and bigger tires I'm only at 3200lbs for rear axle weight. I'd be willing to bet his truck has a very similar axle weight. Add the pin weight to the rear axle weight and he is right at the RAWR of 6400lbs thats set by Dodge.
Once again,the AAM axle in his truck is rated my AAM at almost 2x that weight. So he is a LONG way from overloading the axle.
If it were me,I'd get some higher rated tires and go enjoy the new fiver.
A PW of 3250 on a 3/4 ton truck puts him 1000 over weight before adding the weight of passengers, the hitch, tools, cargo, etc.
Hope all goes well until you make it to the truck lot. Be safe.
Me too, not many 3/4 SRW drive diesel trucks pulling a triple axles 19K GVWR trailer for longevity at least for the TV. At 19K GVWR even 1T duallys are at or above their limits IMHO in most cases. With that size trailer you're in the F-450/GM4500 class IMO.
Larry
2001 standard box 7.3L E-350 PSD Van with 4.10 rear and 2007 Holiday Rambler Aluma-Lite 8306S Been RV'ing since 1974. TRAILER MODS
I said it before and i will say it again. The OP is looking for affirmation that he will be OK. Those that feel this is an accident looking for a place to happen are not being listened to because that is NOT what he wants to hear.
The moderator needs to close this one.
donn0128 wrote: I said it before and i will say it again. The OP is looking for affirmation that he will be OK. Those that feel this is an accident looking for a place to happen are not being listened to because that is NOT what he wants to hear.
The moderator needs to close this one.
Why close it?
He is still waiting for someone to say it's okay, right?
Wait long enough and someone will come along and confirm any setup
as okay.
Folks assume all kinds of things....that their truck is the same
as the next bigger, gets as good MPG as the littler one, can tow
more than it's published rating, the MTWR applies to their truck
even when it's loaded up to it's GVWR, the ratings don't mean
a thing, the OEM engineers are all idiots (too many are), etc, etc.
Heck, even faster in the quarter mile than any other TV, or that it
can climb faster, or higher, etc.
Just post as you would and if the advice isn't taken, don't take
it personally. There will even be those who pick on you and chide
you about your advice. It is a free world and they don't have to
listen to advice, or give good advice.
Advice here is worth the price paid, right?
-Ben Picture of my rig
1996 GMC SLT Suburban 3/4 ton K3500/7.4L/4:1/+150Kmiles orig owner...
1980 Chevy Silverado C10/long bed/"BUILT" 5.7L/3:73/1 ton helper springs/+329Kmiles, bought it from dad...
1998 Mazda B2500 (1/2 ton) pickup, 2nd owner...
Praise Dyno Brake equiped and all have "nose bleed" braking!
Previous trucks/offroaders: 40's Jeep restored in mid 60's / 69 DuneBuggy (approx +1K lb: VW pan/200hpCorvair: eng, cam, dual carb'w velocity stacks'n 18" runners, 4spd transaxle) made myself from ground up / 1970 Toyota FJ40 / 1973 K5 Blazer (2dr Tahoe, 1 ton axles front/rear, +255K miles when sold it)...
Sold the boat (looking for another): Trophy with twin 150's...
51 cylinders in household, what's yours?...
smkettner wrote: So who has a 19000 gvwr hauler that has measured pin weight with nothing in the garage?
Mods can close me if that's appropriate. No hard feelings, I knew that even broaching this was playing with fire.
I do not have an off-line date for the new RV yet, but anticipate it will be mid-July. If this thread does not get closed down I promise to scan the weight slip and post it here. Some of you are right, without weights this is a discussion of "what if".
SoCalDesertRider wrote: You are correct on the TIRES. Don't forget to upgrade the WHEELS too! ...You forgot the SPRINGS. Not sure on your particular truck, as by now I've forgotten what kind of truck you have.
Be careful in Assuming you "have the same axle" as the drw truck, on your srw... As with any truck modification to suit a different purpose... THOROUGHLY RESEARCH it using RELIABLE sources, before ASSUMING everything will be OK.
Yes, see my post Ricksons I did find that wheels get a rating too and I would upgrade both if I went that route, thanks for the reminder. For springs, do Firestones help there? (I'll be putting some on this weekend if the rain stops). I've got a 2004 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel - near as I can tell it's somewhat unique in the 3/4 class since it's essentially a 1 Ton SRW for reasons only Dodge can explain - if I had it to do over I'd have bought the 1 Ton but I didn't. I believe (from sources I cannot easily confirm but anyone here can easily refute) that my axle is the same as the dually and rated for 10,000+ in other applications - no worries though I'm happy to trust it up to the 6,000# I find on my door sticker. (Odd how the door sticker adds to 10,200 while the brochure says 9000? funny math but hey)
For research - anyone here who knows, point me. I am happy to use forums to gather ideas but I will cross check much of what I'm told and do the investigation myself as needed. I still find that much of the well posted RV net info is excellent and accurate and worth considering.
...and no - I do not take any info passed along here as "condoning".
oh yes - I don't think my buddy who asked about the weights and motivated this post reads this (but HEY BOB if you do, HI! call me you still need to pick up that stuff in my garage) -- here's the kicker DW just looked up his rig and if we found the right specs, guess what... his double axle luxury FW may put him MORE overweight on his (gas) Chevy 3/4 than I expect to be with my trip-axle hauler!!! As I said - this is all what-if and I'll post the weights when I get them.
Dave Lindemulder
Tammy, Mark & Kirsten
04 Dodge 2500 4x4 SLT QC/SB
HO-CTD/48RE - Graphite: Raptor SS nerfs, Prodigy, Reese 16K Kwik-slide, BD X-Monitor, PML Trans pan, PML Diff cover, Firestone Airbags
09 Heartland Cyclone 3210
davelinde wrote: Yes, see my post Ricksons I did find that wheels get a rating too and I would upgrade both if I went that route, thanks for the reminder.
Ok I see the wheel/tire issue has already been covered thoroughly. I had forgotten about that discussion.
davelinde wrote: For springs, do Firestones help there? (I'll be putting some on this weekend if the rain stops).
Well, there are many here who like them and find them to work well for their rigs. I personally am not a fan of air bags. I prefer heavier duty leaf packs for their simplicity and the fact that there is no change in how the frame is supported from factory stock. The frames were not designed to be supported in the location where the air bags mount. Many have reported frame cracks because of using the air bags. To level a truck that is not overloaded, they are probly fine. To fix a sagging truck that is overloaded, I wouldn't go that route. Stand to do better with heavier spring packs instead. Thats my take on it and that's how I did my truck. I'm very happy with the heavier springs. Mine is overloaded, btw.
davelinde wrote: I've got a 2004 Dodge Cummins Turbo Diesel ... I believe (from sources I cannot easily confirm but anyone here can easily refute) that my axle is the same as the dually and rated for 10,000+ in other applications - no worries though I'm happy to trust it up to the 6,000# I find on my door sticker. (Odd how the door sticker adds to 10,200 while the brochure says 9000? funny math but hey)
I would call AAM or Dana (I forget what axle manufacturer Dodge was using in '04, they have used both in recent years) and find out for certain what all the similarities and differences are, straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. If you do find out for certain, by all means, post that info here for all of us to read!
I agree, the GVWR numbers don't appear to make any sense when you consider the sum of the axle weight ratings. The brakes are designed to stop the max load of each axle so I have to wonder if it's the frame or the springs that bring down the GVWR numbers.
I know the manufacturers do not spec springs heavy enough to carry the full axle weight rating properly. Soft ride is more important than load carrying for selling pickups I guess. Hence, the popular airbag and other spring helper market. I personally would rather they spec properly rated springs for the application to begin with and save us all alot of extra hassle and upgrade money.
The factory rear springs on my F350 were not rated anywhere near the 6084-lb rear axle weight rating printed on the information label on the truck's door post. They were rated for a whopping ~4900 lbs, together. I replaced them with springs rated to ~4300 lbs, each, a spring rate increase of ~3700 lbs, together. Now the truck carries the weight very nicely.
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davelinde wrote: For springs, do Firestones help there?
.. prefer heavier duty leaf packs for their simplicity and the fact that there is no change in how the frame is supported from factory stock. The frames were not designed to be supported in the location where the air bags mount. Many have reported frame cracks because of using the air bags.
Had not thought about that, thanks - something to consider for sure.
davelinde: You'll probably have a mimimum of 3000# pin weight and you'll definately need a set of airbags like your neighbor. The trailer you're looking at probably closer to 12,000# empty and can hold around a 1000# just in water. You'll be looking hard at a dually in the near future, this was me last year:
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DW just looked up his rig and if we found the right specs, guess what... his double axle luxury FW may put him MORE overweight on his (gas) Chevy 3/4 than I expect to be with my trip-axle hauler!!! As I said - this is all what-if and I'll post the weights when I get them.
