Looking at a new F-450. Know when Ford went to the 6.0 had a lot of problems nfor a year or so. Are they going to have the same problems with the new 6.4? Don't need anymore of the problems of the 2003 6.0psd.
04 PSD here, with 53000 trouble free miles. My Dad has an 03 with 56000 issue free miles also. Sorry that you got a "clinker!"
"The 6.4 is the most tested and studied engine in Ford/International history.The New 6.4L diesel is more than just a clean sheet of paper engine. It benefits from an innovative clean-sheet-of-paper development process that optimized durability, performance, fuel economy and emissions.
“The Super Duty program set the precedents for this new process,” said Davidson, “and the results have been nothing short of amazing. Our initial durability test vehicles exhibited near-zero issues in reference to powertrain.”
The focus of the program was to design a development process that more accurately reflected how Super Duty customers used their vehicles everyday. The team began by collecting real-world data from working Super Duty commercial customers, tracking their daily duty cycles.
The data was used to develop durability tests that were more representative of these real-world duty cycles. For example, this was the first time that dynamometer tests were run with the transmission bolted to the engine during the durability run, allowing engineers to see how the up-shifts and downshifts affected the powertrain during the duty cycle.
The tests were conducted using the most extreme and abusive conditions and run to five-times the life cycle that the hardest-working truck would ever experience, further assuring durability,
“By the time we launch this vehicle,” said Davidson, “the engine will have seen more than 10 million equivalent miles of testing both on the dyno and in test vehicles.”
The extended testing hours allowed the team to scrutinize every component and system under theses customer-driven conditions. As a result, more than 500 design improvements were made to the diesel powertrain to improve performance and durability."
The 6.4 is so studied..that their are modding to a 6.7 scorpion diesel soon...who knows? the 6.4 Has turned out to be a great motor so far. Why change? Especially so soon.Emissions maybe..
Seems the new 6.4 has been as reliable as the others... I like them F450 and would trust one.... As far as the 6.0 wouldnt touch another with a 10 foot pole......
legsnred wrote: Looking at a new F-450. Know when Ford went to the 6.0 had a lot of problems nfor a year or so. Are they going to have the same problems with the new 6.4? Don't need anymore of the problems of the 2003 6.0psd.
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My dealer sells both Fords and Dodge; I talked at length with the service manager about another issue, and brought up the fact I was interested in a new truck. This was August of last year. He said get the Dodge as they have literally no problems with them, and some of the Fords have been problematic. And to make matters worse, anything more than routine maintenance requires taking the cab off the body to access the motor. He said it is not as bad as it sounds but is a 2.5 hour job. Under warranty, its not the owner's problem, but afterwards, he said, it will add $250 additional labor for a simple job like a water pump. And he wondered if independent garages would have the knowledge base to do this.
His points were well made, and since he wasn't selling anything, I thought he was especially candid.
By the way, this dealership is well known and has a reputation for honest dealings.
I bought a Dodge about a month later and so far have been very happy.
I went from 7.3psd To 6.0psd To 8.1 big block. I only use my 8.1 van for two trips a year and the new diesels are not cost effective to me anymore since they cost twice as much as five years ago ,don't get as good mpg and diesel cost more than reg unl gas.
I love my F-450, haven't had any issues, it pulls and stops my TH great and you can't beat the look of the interior. I bought my truck to tow with, not for fuel miliage, I have a Ford Focus for that. Thought I'd share a pic of the setup.
From a Master Ford Training Tech on the cab removal of the Ford Super Duty Trucks..."Note that Since Ford does not include removing the cab to perform engine repairs in the service manuals it is important to note that this procedure is not endorsed or approved by Ford."
"Any 6.0L owner who has major engine repairs performed on their truck may have had a technician who began the procedure by removing the cab from the frame. While this looks very dramatic it's far less invasive to the vehicle than disassembling the entire front end to get the engine out to perform repairs. By not having to remove all of those parts necessary to access the engine there are fewer parts to lose, damage or mis-assemble resulting in a good job gone bad and an unhappy customer. By looking at the photo on the left it quickly becomes apparent that the engine is COMPLETELY exposed and fully assembled. This is also an advantage to performing cab off repairs. Anyone who has serviced these engines in chassis knows that work performed on top and behind the engine is difficult due to a lack of access and working space. Torquing cylinder head bolts is nearly impossible. Working on the engine in it's mounts on the frame allows for easy and complete assembly with no forcing alignment and blindly securing parts.
There are those who argue that cab off repairs create problems like noises and body alignment concerns. I have yet to experience any and I have actually aligned the cab and pick-up bed better than the factory did. I realize I am not the first to do this and I know guys have been doing this for quite a while now. Since Ford does not include removing the cab to perform engine repairs in the service manuals it is important to note that this procedure is not endorsed or approved by Ford. However, other than for a few out spoken training engineers, there seems to be a quiet interest in the procedure. After all, Ford is known for it's "better ideas" aren't they? Perhaps they are mulling this one over and taking notes. The next diesel engine that the Super Duty trucks are to receive will likely be even more difficult to access. We can only hope that serviceability is a consideration and is somehow given more thought than in the past.
So I am now done with this job and experiment and have removed several cabs with no incidents, shocked customers and I no longer attract distracting crowds in the service bay because it does look really cool! (yes, it was like the Circus was in town) The second argument for doing cab off repairs is that it' is simply easier on the human body. My back suffered no pain or strain. A big plus! Is your truck in the shop? Don't get excited. If the technician has the cab or body off the frame, he most likely knows exactly what he is doing and is the guy you want servicing your truck.
TECH TIP: Laying a large piece of cardboard on the frame rails and transmission provided an excellent place to lay out the engine parts in an organized fashion as I removed them."
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11.2 mpg not towing and not beating the truck how great is that
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