Solarfry
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I've noticed that non carrying mileage has dropped from 14 mpg city with non-ethanol laced gasoline to 10mpg city with 10% ethanol. My highway mileage has also dropped from 17 mpg non-ethanol to 14.6 with 10% ethanol.
I cringe to think what it will be with the camper on top this summer.
We must thank our Bird Brain elected representatives for this ethanol fiasco.
I feel sorry for those owning older boats and trucks. I hear it clogs them up fiercely.
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c.traveler2
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Ethanol doesn't have as much engery in it as gasoline that accounts for your mileage drop plus the total product of ethanol produces more green house gasses than gasoline and increases food prices. If your going to burn ethanol in older system you have to update all your fuel lines or they will just fall apart.
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Road Runners
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Solarfry wrote:I've noticed that non carrying mileage has dropped from 14 mpg city with non-ethanol laced gasoline to 10mpg city with 10% ethanol. My highway mileage has also dropped from 17 mpg non-ethanol to 14.6 with 10% ethanol.
I cringe to think what it will be with the camper on top this summer.
We must thank our Bird Brain elected representatives for this ethanol fiasco.
I feel sorry for those owning older boats and trucks. I hear it clogs them up fiercely.
I agree, but with a slightly different reason!
Ethanol sounds good, but anyone with half a brain could have seen that large scale production of ethanol was and is going to ruin our economy. To start with, it takes about as much energy to make ethanol as we get out of it. I was amazed at all the ethanol plants being built in Nebraska when I was there last year.
The first affects are already in. The price of grains are going thru the roof. Farmer's are purposely shifting to ethanol grain production as it seems to make economic sense for them. Food grains are becoming scarce and more pricey as the framers make this switch. Food prices that depend on these grains are sharply on the rise.
I am all for fuel cell technology. Lets get off the need for oil and spend our money on getting this fuel cell technology on the market. Vehicles are already designed, it will just take a concerted effort to provide hydrogen service. That is our future! Let's get off hydrocarbons and onto fuel cell technology for our transportation needs.
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bjw1
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I hear people talking about hydrogen fueled vehicles all the time. Where does the hydrogen come from?
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I was told that if you cannot buy Ethanol for at least 60 cents a gallon cheaper than gas you will just be throwing money away because of the decreased milage you get. You will also get less power out of it
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BiGG
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Solarfry wrote:I've noticed that non carrying mileage has dropped from 14 mpg city with non-ethanol laced gasoline to 10mpg city with 10% ethanol. My highway mileage has also dropped from 17 mpg non-ethanol to 14.6 with 10% ethanol.
I cringe to think what it will be with the camper on top this summer.
I feel sorry for those owning older boats and trucks. I hear it clogs them up fiercely.
There is something else affecting your mileage as there is no-way 10% ethanol was responsible for that kind of drop. 10% ethanol (E10) will account for a 1-2% drop in mileage, *not* 25%! That is literally unfeasible so you need too look for the real cause.
Gasoline contains 114,132 BTU’s per gallon, Ethanol contains 83,263
1,141,320 BTU’s in ten gallons of gasoline
1,110,451 BTU’s in ten gallons of E10
There is no-way you could lose 25% of your mileage with 30,869 less BTU’s. It’s impossible!
Also, as far as allegedly “clogging” up fuel systems …. ethanol cleans your fuel system …. running E10 will keep it as clean as the day it was new.
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david_42
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The hydrogen comes from fourth generation nuclear plants, but only OPEC and China will be building them.
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nwjetboat
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Well in the Peoples Republic of Oregon, you have no choice to burn ethanol or not. It was mandated by our Governor last year, and will be phased in this year.
On another note, I just returned from the Mississippi delta, where I was born. I grew up watching cotton fields mature during the summer, and never saw a stalk of corn, unless it was in somebodies back yard. Well in the 110 mile trip from Jackson airport to my hometown I didn't see a single cotton plant, but acres and acres of corn.
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BiGG
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c.traveler2 wrote:Ethanol doesn't have as much engery in it as gasoline that accounts for your mileage drop plus the total product of ethanol produces more green house gasses than gasoline and increases food prices. If your going to burn ethanol in older system you have to update all your fuel lines or they will just fall apart.
Ethanol allegedly produces more green house gases? Alleged problems from green house gases are the least of our worries here!
Ethanol is added to gasoline to make it burn cleaner i.e. gasoline needs a oxygenate to make it burn clean and comply with the Clean Air Act. In the past everybody used MTBE for the oxygenate until we found out it’s an extremely-environmentally-unfriendly, ground-water-contaminating, cancer-causing train-wreck just now starting to unfold. Over half the states have already banned its use and replaced it with ethanol, the rest of the states will ban it also as soon as we have the capacity to replace it with ethanol.
And increased food costs? Take a look at the cost of fossil oil products considering they are responsible for 99% of the cost increases.
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fuelhauler
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nwjetboat: 10% ethanol is already in place as of the 1st of april. All the gas I load at the pipeline has the ethanol injected into my truck before the gas is pumped in. Thank you Govener Kulongoski for nothing that is going to lessen the pain at the pump, get us worse fuel mileage with no beniffit to the enviroment.
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