eltejano1
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Max:
Discover Open Road Card. I'll look into that. Discover always has had some sort of rebate deal on all purchases, but just a pittance. Never paid much attention to that in the past, but maybe the time has come to take advantage of every break - and that's putting it mildly. 
Jack
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eltejano1
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Dick:
We all appreciate your allowing the thread. Here we can discuss these matters in a polite way, unlike most of the political forums that are just intolerably rude, profane and ugly. RV'ers tend to be very nice people and that really shows here. What we're doing is pretty much like a face to face BS session around the campfire. People say things to each other on the internet that they would never say in person - and that's too bad. Anonymity is the biggest drawback to this kind of communication - but it's not a problem here - thanks to your efforts.
Clearly, allowing controversial content throughout the site would quickly ruin it. But it seems that restricting it all to this one thread is working pretty well and does not seem to be interfering with the mission of RV.Net Open Roads.
I've pushed you too far a couple times and I apologize. When I check back and find my post deleted I feel ashamed. I haven't had one deleted for a few days so I guess I'm improving.
I wouldn't say you have a short fuse - but, it's probably inadvisable for moderators to take sides in controversial discussions because it undermines their authority - like drinking beer and socializing with one's employees.
Jack
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Hey sirdrakejr! Were you able to meet the famous Lindsey Williams that had that video out about having enough oil up there to last centuries...? That nobody will pump out. And gas will get high as it is now...
Speaking of Lindsey Williams I would say he is closer to right than the BS put out from the government and wall street.
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eltejano1
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If y'all will permit another brief digression -- do you think we need more regulation of the internet? I do. I don't think anyone should be allowed to post anonymously. I think we should be required to identify ourselves and our town of residence. If we are not willing to do that, we should not be allowed to publish anything on the internet.
My name is Jack Ellis and live on County Road 4300, 8 miles SE of Woodville Texas and I'm in the phone book. Why do people want to post under pseudonyms and conceal their identities? So they can lie, slander and insult others without consequences? Or pretend they are someone else?
Jack
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AO_hitech
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eltejano1 wrote:Why do people want to post under pseudonyms and conceal their identities? So they can lie, slander and insult others without consequences? Or pretend they are someone else?
Should it become a legal issue, your ISP knows who you are. If the site captures your IP and the date and time (most do), then they can find out who you are if necessary.
And my names in my profile I believe. 
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topflite51
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AO_hitech wrote:eltejano1 wrote:Why do people want to post under pseudonyms and conceal their identities? So they can lie, slander and insult others without consequences? Or pretend they are someone else?
Should it become a legal issue, your ISP knows who you are. If the site captures your IP and the date and time (most do), then they can find out who you are if necessary.
And my names in my profile I believe. They sure can.
Besides, what is wrong with being able to slander and insult others without consequences? Gives the mods something else to do.
 David
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eltejano1
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Wouldn't it take a court order or something to get that info from the IPS. I mean, you can't just call them up and ask who XXX is. You have to be a law enforcement agency, right?
Supposing someone posts some really slanderous material about me on an "anything goes" website, and I ask my attorney to sue him - could my attorney readily get the e-mail address and personal info of the person if the website administrator is uncooperative? And I'm sure that IPS's don't give that info with just a phone call or letter.
I think it needs regulation - should be like a newspaper where anonymous letters to the editor are not allowed. But I don't have any idea HOW it could be regulated, at least without serious infringments of free speech. Much of the Web is just a filthy cesspool that, in my old-fashioned opinion, should be cleaned-up! I grew up in a day when a single profane word over a marine radio would result in your license being revoked by the FCC.
I guess the answer is just to stay on well-moderated sites like this one, where such posts are quickly deleted and the member expelled. Trouble is, many sites aren't moderated at all! Seems like the modern equivalent, I guess, of staying out of bad neighborhoods and being selective in the company you keep.
Jack
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AO_hitech
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eltejano1 wrote:Wouldn't it take a court order or something to get that info from the ISP. I mean, you can't just call them up and ask who XXX is. You have to be a law enforcement agency, right?
It depends on the ISP. I know people who were not law enforcement (they were running a forum) that were able to get names/addresses of people causing trouble. The situation was worse than simple slander, but they obtained the information. Now, laws have changed and I don't know the laws, but I believe it is possible if the ISP is willing to give out the information.
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topflite51
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OK. I give, just what exactly did you do, that you don't want us to know about? You can tell everyone, we can keep a secret.
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eltejano1
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I also think the web is contributing to the ideological fracturing of our society. It provides extremists on both ends of the political spectrum with a certain legitimacy that would have been unthinkable in our pre-computer world. All the porn material, chat rooms and dating services are damaging families and homes in a variety of ways and children are at great risk online - not only physically and emotionally, but morally as well.
But I guess everything has a downside. There are so many positive things about the web - unlimited shopping options, a huge library of information on every subject imaginable at your finger tips and educational and self-improvement opportunities for the unlettered masses that have the potential of obliterating ignorance worldwide.
We have to take the bad along with the good, I suppose - like TV and everything else.
Jack
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