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lwmuddy

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Frankjake has an interesting point, IMHO.

So you have invented or designed a solution to a problem and it will make you a lot of money. Trouble is that the problem doesn't exist yet, so what do you do?

You create or "Invent" the problem and THEN sell you solution or cure.

So you have a lot of GREEN ideas and Green stuff to sell, but why would people go for it?

Solution..............

Global Warming is a hands down, flat out money maker.

I strongly believe that "Wag the Dog" actually works, though most here will disagree.

Some Businesses may rely heavily on societies extremely short memories and basic disinterest in technology to further there advancement.

And they need to get rid of all us Old Folks as quickly as possible because, although our short term memory may be poor, our Long Term memories get in the way of lies about history.

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Cars have been tuned to work with "pure" gas, not gas plus 10% ethanol. I had a Taurus that was designed to run on 85% ethanol, and it had no problems with the 10% ethanol gas. It just a a little bit less "umph" while accelerating. Once manufacturers work on tuning their cars for ethanol, the "low mpg" problem will mostly go away.
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...At first, she was getting up to 40 miles per gallon. Now, she gets nothing but bad news from her instrument panel....Walker: "I'm at 33.6 on this tank, which is horrible...
Okay, that is just sad. She is getting only 33.6 mpg... Sounds like she is more upset at the lack of bragging rights more than anything else.

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Doug, 33 mpg in a Prius is terrible. One one of my roadtrips, a total of 4000+ miles, I was able to get 39 mpg in a Scion XD. They aren't even rated that high. But when I got back to CA, it's mileage immediately droped back to 32 mpg and this was consistant, not just a fluke or 1 tank. The Scion is not a hybrid.

And even on the motorcycle I see a differene of about 5 to 6 mpg consistantly between regular gas and ethanol gas.

33 mpg is nothing to be ashamed of but in a Prius it is. Why did she pay $10,000 more for that car to ge the same mileage I'm getting? She'll never make up the difference using ethanol gas, the car won't last that long.

And just for the record, the "flex fuel" vehicles that are made to use E85 (85% ethanol) can't run E85 all the time. They have to run regular gas every so often as to not damage the engine or componets. It's states this right in the owners manual of flex fuel vehicles or so I have been told.

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Doug4.7 wrote:

Once manufacturers work on tuning their cars for ethanol, the "low mpg" problem will mostly go away.
How so? Since ethanol yields less mpg, how do you tune more mpg into it?


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lwmuddy

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I see Boone "Slickens" pushing Natural Gas for cars now.
I think of NG in the same way as Ethanol. They both have less explosive power then gasoline and will consume more for a given distance.

So they advertise $2.04/gal for NG in the ad in the background, but if it takes twice as much then it ends up costing more.

Since Brazil uses so much Alcohol I would go with the specs on their cars using 250 proof juice.
If you break down you just put a straw into the tank and wait for AAA. Or maybe AA.

At over $1000 to convert a car to NG I don't think that there will be any kind of rush.

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It was the oil speculators...or at least that is what this study shows.

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Skid Row Joe wrote:

How so? Since ethanol yields less mpg, how do you tune more mpg into it?
Our current engines are tuned to run on gas. To get them to run on other fuels, one needs to adjust things on the engine (I am not sure exactly what 'things'). If ethanol burns slower or quicker (just an example I made up), one would need to play with the timing, shape of the cylinder head, or even the placement of the spark plug to get it to run at max efficiency with ethanol.

Now with that ethanol tuned engine, you won't get the same mpg with ethanol as you would with gas, but the differences would be closer to the energy density differences between ethanol and gas (which I am too lazy to look up right now).

It's not rocket science, but it is engine science.

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lwmuddy wrote:

At over $1000 to convert a car to NG I don't think that there will be any kind of rush.
That depends on the actual energy density of NG, the cost of NG, the cost of gas, and a few other factors. Look at all the people willing to pay the premium to go with a hybrid like the Prius.

The thing is, I thought I read/heard somewhere that NG is just as hard to get at as gas (i.e., we have to import it at $$$$ rates). If so, that idea would seem to swap one problem for another.

lwmuddy

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Seeing all the pickup truck ads, I figure that gasoline will be around for a wile longer.

If, indeed, there was going to be a big switch to another fuel source and the nation was going to go Green then they wouldn't be designing and building any more Muscle plant engines, but they still are.

It's all Smoke and Mirrors", with an agenda tacked on the end.

Most people are driving a vehicle that is a few sizes to big.

Maybe they'll come out with a "Jenny Craig" for automobiles.

"Look honey, I lost 1200 pounds and I feel GREAT and it's all due to Jenny.

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WAFB.COM

I hope their wrong. We just refilled all of our vehicles and Gustav gas cans.



BY: George Sells, WAFB Anchor/Managing Editor

Expect gasoline prices to rise overnight as much as a dollar and-a-half a gallon. That's the warning from several business sources including one major Baton Rouge multi-station operation.

However, a spokesman for Triple A Louisiana discounted the report. "We still have at least a 20 day supply, said spokesman Don Redman. "We certainly wish we had a healthier supply than that but we are certainly asking the service station industry to refrain from any panic pricing," Redman said.

The approach of Hurricane Ike to the Houston area has produced a panic gasoline markets. The fears are driven by the fact that refineries are shutting down in metro Houston taking away 16 percent of America's gasoline refining corporation.

The controller of one gasoline operation tells WAFB News she is ordering her delivery truck drivers to pickup no more gasoline deliveries after 6 p.m. today which is the normal hour that prices are changed by refineries for the subsequent 24 hours.

WAFB News has learned that the daily price-setting from Shell Oil Company, which usually comes in by 3:30 in the afternoon still had not arrived at 4:15 p.m.

A gasoline price guide used by the industry, known as "Fuel Prophet LLC" is advising Gulf Coast dealers to prepare for a price rise overnight of $1.41 a gallon for conventional unleaded gasoline. The so called "rack advice" for low sulfur diesel fuel is much more modest - 15 cents a gallon.

The Louisiana Oil Markets' Association has posted an emergency message to State Attorney General Buddy Caldwell warning him of the expected increases in an effort to avoid allegations of price gouging.


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