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NWTmagic

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Posted: 05/24/08 01:03pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SemperFiCop wrote:

What is Your Cargo Capacity?


I'm looking in my manual, but can't find that info.

Do you mean weight I can carry inside the van?


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The Gross Vehicle Weight Rating (GVWR) I found on the lable on the door says 5500 lbs.

This is the total allowable weight of my vehicle including driver, passengers and cargo.

Would the weight of the trailer also be included in the 5500 or is the towable 3500 in addition to the 5500?

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As a Guide:

Gross Combined Weight Rating - Loaded Vehicle = Max Trailer Weight

Gross Vehicle Weight Rating - Loaded Vehicle = Max Trailer Hitch Weight

Hitch Weight should be 10 to 15 percent of Trailer Weight

For Example if you Vehicle Curb Weight is around 4,000 pounds

Then You have a Payload Capacity of 1,500 pounds = 5,500 GVWR

Remember that 1500 pounds of Payload Capacity

is for people, stuff plus trailer tongue weight

The Payload Capacity is Reduced pound for pound

Do you know Your Vehicles GCWR?





NWTmagic

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Do you know Your Vehicles GCWR?

Should That number be stated in the owners manual some where? Because I couldn't find it.

I have been reading on here of people towing heavier trailers then me. I just heard from a guy with the same 3.3 litre w/tranny cooler that was pulling a 2500 lb pop up with no problems. He just took his time getting places. Mine has a dry weight of 1735 lbs.

The day before I get my hitch installed and pull away with the tent trailer I'm getting some TLC for my van. I booked an appointment to have the coolant flushed and changed, the transmission serviced, with new oil and filter and the engine oil changed. Also a tire rotation and brake inspection.

Any other suggestions for my tow vehicle? Other then replace it of course.

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"GCWR"

I think I just found this number in a table in my manual.

It says; Max combined weight of vehicle and trailer not to exceed 6,600 lbs (2993 kg).

It also says a load equalizing hitch is recommended for loaded trailer weights above 1,000 lbs (454 kg) and required for weights above 2,000 lbs (907 kg).

I am sure my tent trailer will be over 2000 lbs once I put a bit of gear in it. I guess that seals the deal, go with the WD hitch.

Funny thing is, I've had some RV dealers tell me I don't need WD, just a plain old ball hitch will work.

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Thanks to all those who replied and offered advice.

I ended up going with the RV dealer hitch installation. That included weight distribution, 7 pin wiring and a Prodigy brake control.

I'm glad I went with WD because it really lifts up the back of my van a couple of inches when I pull the lever into place. Plus, so far so good on the towing. The first time I hooked it up at the dealer I drove 12 hours (1100 kms).



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Hi NWT!

Looks good! Your trailer and van appear "level" which is what you are looking for. If any thing you want the trailer tongue a bit "down" to reduce the chances of sway. Your set up looks good.

Good luck and happy camping.....see ya down the road!

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NWTmagic wrote:

Hello All,

The total for the wiring and hitch needed for your vehicle is $1292.97. The total estimate for the equalizer hitch and the battery is $879.39."


1292.97+879.39=$2172.36

WOW!!! Does this seem high to anyone else besides me??

Etrailer prices:

Class III hitch: $134
Plug in Wiring harness to 4-pin: $28
7-way Adaptor: $15
7-way bracket: $4
WD-Shank: $89
Ball:$15
WD "Kit w/bars" ~$300
Proportional break controller: ~$80
Misc.: $100 (Wire, screws washers...etc)

Sears Deep Cycle Battery: $120

Total: $885...

1287.36 for labor???


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Congrats on the rig, looks good.

It does appear that the RV dealer 'took you to the cleaners' there, on the hitch/towing setup. But, thats all 'water under the bridge now', no use getting upset over it.

I'll give credit where its due: At least the dealer set you up with a good brake controller, the Prodigy. More often than not, dealers throw in cheap timing ramp-up type controllers, that IMO are so worthless, it oughta be illegal to sell/install them, haha. Glad to see your dealer didn't do that to you.

Anyway, as one that owns the same van you have (Grand Caravan, 3.3L), I will warn you about a few things:

The brakes on these Caravans....Simply put, are very cheap. I've already replaced one set of pads on mine, they were shot after only 30,000 miles. And I don't tow anything with it. Keep a very close eye on the brakes, go easy on them when towing, especially coming down long grades. Expect that you'll be replacing pads frequently. Not the end of the world, but definitely something to watch very closely.

I know you said your van came with a tranny cooler, but I strongly suggest you get an auxiliary tranny cooler installed as well. You know as well as I do the reputation Dodge has with the tranny in their vans. And, you don't know if the tranny cooler they put with the towing package, might be more substantial than what you have now. Get a tranny cooler, to be sure.

..Along the same lines as what I said above: Consider getting a transmission temperature gauge installed. That way, you can keep a close eye on how hot the tranny may be getting, and will know when to go easy on it if need be..


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willald wrote:

Congrats on the rig, looks good.

I know you said your van came with a tranny cooler, but I strongly suggest you get an auxiliary tranny cooler installed as well.


Rig looks great.

I agree with Will on the transmission cooler. I almost bought a new 3.8 Grand Caravan in 2004. I could not find one with the factory tow package (not that it would have really mattered that much, but that's what I wanted at the time). After several inquiries, Chrysler sent me a letter stating that the transmission cooler in the factory tow package was merely a slightly larger cooling area in the radiator, it was not a separate stand alone fluid cooler. So, yes, as Will said, it would be good to get an auxiliary cooler installed (Hayden or other).


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