Keith M
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Well the test do prove that the Champion generators are unacceptable when camping near others. Who the heck runs their generators on full load anyways? I might run a microwave or vacumn once or twice a week but that about it. The more normal use is watching tv or charging batteries and using maybe 300-400 watts. I would rarely ever put 800 watts or more on my EU2000i. I cant imagine putting a charge on batteries with the small Champion. Its almost as noisy as a lawnmower. The Chinese generators are great when your nearest neighbor is 100 yards away or your in the middle of a Nascar race. They are also great around the house but I really think after spending $5000 and up for an RV spending a little more for a generator to buy something that is reasonably quiet is worth it.
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Interesting test report. Thanks PatJ
Wa8yxm wrote:Champion makes both "Traditional" generators that run at a fixed speed (1200 rpm for big ones, 1800 for medium and 3600 for small) and Inverter Generators
I suspect the OP tested the Inverter type Champion makes inverter generators? What model?
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Keith M wrote:Well the test do prove that the Champion generators are unacceptable when camping near others. Who the heck runs their generators on full load anyways? I might run a microwave or vacumn once or twice a week but that about it. The more normal use is watching tv or charging batteries and using maybe 300-400 watts. I would rarely ever put 800 watts or more on my EU2000i. I cant imagine putting a charge on batteries with the small Champion. Its almost as noisy as a lawnmower. The Chinese generators are great when your nearest neighbor is 100 yards away or your in the middle of a Nascar race. They are also great around the house but I really think after spending $5000 and up for an RV spending a little more for a generator to buy something that is reasonably quiet is worth it.
Well put. I might run the generator to pop popcorn for three minutes. A/C is a non-issue unless I have to run it in a pinch to cool the trailer down, but that would be it. The Champion always runs like that, and if it is 10 dB louder, the volume is perceived to be 100 times more intense..unless I read the description of dB wrong when I looked it up. To me it is also worth the cost..as I sat and listened to a Champion roar upwards of 5 hours a day and right up to quiet time each night over Memorial Weekend. No way can anyone say that they are not significantly louder on low loads.
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If you listen to a generator for 5 hours the problem is not the generator but the owner who feels that they need a generator for 5 hours.
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HubMonkey
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Wow the Honda is quieter than a crown vic at idle... nice!
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Quote:I suspect the OP tested the Inverter type
Nope.. Champion doesnt make an invertor gennie that i know of...
Looks like the 3500 he tested is the common one everyone owns in here when the say Champion.
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Badog wrote:If you listen to a generator for 5 hours the problem is not the generator but the owner who feels that they need a generator for 5 hours.
Ya, i really dont wanna hear a Honda running that long everyday either...
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Mikeyxx wrote:I wish I could understand the db and loudness gauges. I know the whole double volume after so many db etc. But that doesn't really help me understand if 68 is a lot better than 71.
Of course, the above mention of running the air conditioner at the same time... would that add a lot to the noise, or just fill in a little more white noise (running the crown vic next to the generator...would you hear an increase in overall noise?)
Scientifically the Sound Pressure Level Intensity is twice for every 3db . The Champions were at least 9db louder for all aspects at no load idle compared to the Honda in Eco Mode, 4db for all aspect at low load idle, and 4 to 6db at idle high load except for the exhaust side aspect and were still 1.5db louder. Now this 3db doesn't quite apply to the human hearing since our freq response is weighted by frequency, but generally a 4 to 5 db difference from an instrument reading equates to a different preception of being significantly louder in the human hearing. The Octave db weighted instrument is best for human hearing since the human hearing is most sensitive between about 800 and 3,000 HZ.
Several years ago I did a sound level study on my newly acquired Ford 7.3L PSD when the weather was cold like in the 30's and 40's and the difference in a cold soaked 7.3L at 1200rpms and a fully warmed up PSD in the same temps was 4 to 5 db so if you have ever heard a cold PSD on first start up and then one that is fully warmed up that is the difference in how the human ear responds to the scientific measured db levels.
I can tell you at idle in Eco Mode which is enough to run every thing in a normal TT except when it will drop out of idle you would be hard pressed to tell it was running 10' away during normal conversation unless you're in a field that is very, very quiet.
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Keith M wrote:Well the test do prove that the Champion generators are unacceptable when camping near others. Who the heck runs their generators on full load anyways? I might run a microwave or vacumn once or twice a week but that about it. The more normal use is watching tv or charging batteries and using maybe 300-400 watts. I would rarely ever put 800 watts or more on my EU2000i. I cant imagine putting a charge on batteries with the small Champion. Its almost as noisy as a lawnmower. The Chinese generators are great when your nearest neighbor is 100 yards away or your in the middle of a Nascar race. They are also great around the house but I really think after spending $5000 and up for an RV spending a little more for a generator to buy something that is reasonably quiet is worth it.
I disagree. The champion is great when camping. Even near others. But only when used properly which means when needed and at the proper time, not just to run for the fun of it.
To answer your question....I run my champion near full load when ever I'm using it. I bought it to run my AC for camping up here in Northern California near Redding, California in the summer. When it's 110degrees outside it's even hotter inside. A small underpowered super expensive eu2000 would be a big waste of money for me. All they are good for is recharging the batteries and there are cheaper methods for that. I myself bought a small 1500watt 60 decibel (open framed) genset for that purpose. It cost about $300.00 after shipping. That's $600.00 for gensets and I can run my ac and recharge my batteries and even run a friends trailer at the same time provided we don't both need ac's together.
And I spent $2500.00 for my Alpenlite. After all repairs I've spent a total of $3500.00. No way I could justify another grand just to recharge a battery or two and IMO, anyone who considers a grand for a genset used just to recharge batteries is a "good deal", has more money than brains! Sorry for saying that but it's how I see things.
I also think all those who do nothing but complain about these champions are beating a dead horse. There sales are up compared with the inverter gensets now. Why?...Well the times speak for themselves and answer the whys and hows. CPE puts out a good machine with extremely great customer service at a extremely great cost that meets and exceeds National Park standards for use. It doesn't get much better than that and they are here to stay. Those who are against them needs to either learn how to deal with them or stay home. Crying and complaining about them isn't slowing or even denting their sales and use.
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racefan1965 wrote:Well the test do prove that the Champion generators are unacceptable when camping near others. Who the heck runs their generators on full load anyways? I might run a microwave or vacumn once or twice a week but that about it. The more normal use is watching tv or charging batteries and using maybe 300-400 watts. I would rarely ever put 800 watts or more on my EU2000i. I cant imagine putting a charge on batteries with the small Champion.
I agree.
Keith M wrote:I disagree. The champion is great when camping. Even near others.
And I disagree with your disagree based on sardine dry camping (that's cheek to cheek in layman's terms) with 10,000+ of our unknown closest friends for 10 years at PSU on campus football camping seasons with every generator imaginable from the $1,000,000 Prevosts (they are loud too and go off automatically based on battery power) to the redneck contractor generators where people are only 10' away from each other.
I'm not familiar with the Yamaha inverter gensets, but IMO the HONDA EUI series set the standard.
Larry
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