High Impact wrote: So...if the tongue weight is 1000 lbs (easy to do with the 29bhs) then I can only haul an additional 300 lbs? That doesn't make any sense...does it???
Exactly. Think about it... why wouldn't it make sense? The rig has to carry anything inside, and the trailer tongue hanging off the back.
So yes, with 1,000 pounds tongue weight, you could only pack 300 pounds inside before exceeding the GVWR. Many SUVs are payload challenged. They carry a family, and can tow, but usually can't do both at the same time.
Bryan
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I am guessing your 1000lb tongue weight is with the TT loaded and with no weight distribution applied. Your tongue weight is not 1000lbs after weight distribution. Look at your hitch and your owners manual. More than likely it states to use WD when towing over 5,000lbs as well. Don't believe me? Look at a hitch head and you will see two weight ratings. One without WD, one with. With WD the ratings are higher.
Carrying capacity of SUVs can be very confusing. Some brands set carrying capacity taking in only one 160lb driver(how I wish) and others with every seat filled and full tank of fuel. Our former Honda Pilot had a 1400 something carrying capacity but with the independent rear suspension, with each of the seat position filled(even with kids) the rear suspension was really squatting, causing undue wear to the inside tread of the tires. Be curious to see a new Sequoia hitched up to a 8-9000lb trailer, even with proper loading and W/D set up properly, what will those tires look like.
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BTW - how many kids? Do they bring friends when you go camping? Any pets? Gear on/in the rig?
If yes to the last three questions, you may have to look at something heavier than a 1/2 ton, which at this point in time only leaves a 2500 Suburban, 2500/3500 Express or Savana Van, or a Ford E150 or E350 van (the E150 isn't really a true 1/2 ton... It has 3300 pounds payload, plus 8-lug wheels and heavy duty axles, and an 8500+ GVWR).
I think you are right to assume a 1,000# tongue weight. I had a 30 Jayco (qwest 294J) TT with very similar dry specs. For short trips, tongue weight was about 1,000. For longer trips, it was more like 1400 because we had to pack supplies/gear in the bedroom or the trailer axles would be overloaded.
I have the same TT and pull with a 2004 Durango (119" wb) it pulls ok, but could be better. My Durango has a cargo capacity of 1521 and I am currently 500 over. I would still be over with an Excursion, but a newer burb would be better as it is rated with a higher cargo capacity. You can read about my weights here
Hopefully this helps you.
2004 Dodge Durango Limited w/ 5.7 Hemi & 3.55 Tow package, Bilstein HD Shocks, Timbrens, Airaid CAI, Pirelli ATR 265/70R17 Tires
2007 Jayco 29 BHS w/ Equal-i-zer Brand Hitch and Prodigy Brake Controller, Atwood Deluxe Power Jack
Wife, 3 kids, dog, and me
Guest wrote: The wdh will transfer maybe 160# of the TV and onto the trailer axles. Not exactly a cureall for inadequate GVWR.
Why not look at a Burb or Expy EL? If you are buying, these are quite competitive and the US economy could use your help more than Japan's....
It better be more than 160lbs or my hitch head would have failed by now per the sticker on it. IIRC 500/5000lbs without WD, 1,000/10,000lbs with. I am well over 500lbs on my tongue.
Guest wrote: The wdh will transfer maybe 160# of the TV and onto the trailer axles. Not exactly a cureall for inadequate GVWR.
Why not look at a Burb or Expy EL? If you are buying, these are quite competitive and the US economy could use your help more than Japan's....
Because the new Sequoia with the 5.7 will have much more power and torque than the Burb or the Expy (especially the Expy), unless you can now get the Burb with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, which would be a very nice combo.
BTW, the Sequoia's made in the USA by American workers. That's all the help the economy needs.
The only issue would be if you can make the payload numbers work. As noted above, you might want to look at the CrewMax is you don't need the 3rd seat.
We own an 07 Jayflight 29bhs which weighs 5600 lbs before we add about 1000 lbs of gear and food. We've been towing it with an 04 silverado Z71 ext cab with a 5.3/tow package and have had no problems to date. My children are getting larger and we want a larger vehicle but I really don't want to buy a 4 door 3/4 ton.
We have owned a Yukon xl in the past but are seriously considering a brand new 08 Toyota Sequoia with a towing capacity of 10,200 lbs. This vehicle looks like it really fits us perfectly but I'm a little leery of the shorter wheel base.
A suburban or Yukon xl has a 130" wheelbase but the Sequoia is only 122". Anyone have any opinion or experience with this combination of trailer length and wheelbase? Will the 8" make that big of a difference?
I would think that you should be fine.
I pull a 30' fiver with my Tundra (Same chasis) and it handles well.
It's a light weight and loaded is just shy of 7,000 lbs.
Guest wrote: The wdh will transfer maybe 160# of the TV and onto the trailer axles. Not exactly a cureall for inadequate GVWR.
Why not look at a Burb or Expy EL? If you are buying, these are quite competitive and the US economy could use your help more than Japan's....
Because the new Sequoia with the 5.7 will have much more power and torque than the Burb or the Expy (especially the Expy), unless you can now get the Burb with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, which would be a very nice combo.
BTW, the Sequoia's made in the USA by American workers. That's all the help the economy needs.
The only issue would be if you can make the payload numbers work. As noted above, you might want to look at the CrewMax is you don't need the 3rd seat.
For 09 the 6sp is standard on 1500 Suburbans. The 6.0/6sp is the standard combo on the 2500 Suburban, which may be a better option for the OP.
BTW .. the Sequoia is ASSEMBLED in the US. Wont turn this into a foreign vs domestic argument, but lets call it what it is.
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