The power difference is a myth. The Sequoia has 4% more hp and 5% more tq, but weighs more. (381hp in TOYOTA 5.7 vs 366hp in CHEVY 6.0. 401tq in Toyota vs 380 in CHEVY.)
Curb weight as per the manufacturers websites ... Sequoia 6030lbs, Suburban 5608 lbs.
jbardram wrote: The power difference is a myth. The Sequoia has 4% more hp and 5% more tq, but weighs more. (381hp in TOYOTA 5.7 vs 366hp in CHEVY 6.0. 401tq in Toyota vs 380 in CHEVY.)
Curb weight as per the manufacturers websites ... Sequoia 6030lbs, Suburban 5608 lbs.
The fact the 6.0 Chevy comes with a 4-speed AT vs. Toyota's 6-speed isn't a myth.
Also, while your weight numbers sure "appear" to be correct. It's not apples to apples. Your Suburban weight is undoubtably a base 2wd model with the weaker 5.3 V8 (though Chevy's website does not specify). The Sequoia weight you listed is a 4x4 Limited per the website. An SR5 2wd Sequoia with the 5.7 V8 weighs 5,730 lbs. Plus the 3rd row in the Sequoia is always in the vehicle, and folds flat. A Suburban has bulky removeable 3rd row seats, which tend to negate the larger cargo volume. Food for thought.
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Supercharged wrote: 4-in-a-fiver and my statments make the same amount of since.
Guest wrote: The wdh will transfer maybe 160# of the TV and onto the trailer axles. Not exactly a cureall for inadequate GVWR.
Why not look at a Burb or Expy EL? If you are buying, these are quite competitive and the US economy could use your help more than Japan's....
Because the new Sequoia with the 5.7 will have much more power and torque than the Burb or the Expy (especially the Expy), unless you can now get the Burb with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, which would be a very nice combo.
BTW, the Sequoia's made in the USA by American workers. That's all the help the economy needs.
The only issue would be if you can make the payload numbers work. As noted above, you might want to look at the CrewMax is you don't need the 3rd seat.
For 09 the 6sp is standard on 1500 Suburbans. The 6.0/6sp is the standard combo on the 2500 Suburban, which may be a better option for the OP.
BTW .. the Sequoia is ASSEMBLED in the US. Wont turn this into a foreign vs domestic argument, but lets call it what it is.
So you're saying ALL the parts in a Sequoia come from Japan? You're kidding right?
Where was your truck assembled? Maybe you're one of the lucky ones like Tundra and Sequoia owners that have a vehicle built in the good 'ol USA by American workers.
So use your term, "we will call it what it is": It's not ASSEMBLED in Mexico or Canada by Mexican or Canadian workers (great for those economies BTW), and I certainly won't turn this into a foreign vs domestic argument as that distinction is fading fast. Further, I refuse to buy a car or truck from a company that cannot turn a profit and loses billions of dollars a year.
As to the 6.0 in the Burb, GM has finally stepped up and made it perform up to its potential. The old 6.0 was a pathetic dog out of the box and needed big bucks in mods to make it perform, as many owners have confirmed. Visit any GM forum if you doubt it. The question is, what took them so long? Do you think the tail kicking it was getting from the little 5.7 Tundra motor and the little Titan 5.3 had anything to do with it?
Please don't turn this thread into an import - domestic pissing match. The differences are not what they used to be and I have never seen the big three be able to produce the power to fuel mileage numbers that toyota is producing. Let it rest. Thank you.
I have not determined yet which vehicle we will be purchasing. However, we desire the third seat since we have three children and a 6 pound dog. The kids also desire to bring a friend or two once in a while, we also enjoy bringing the mother in law once a year. My Z71's marginal back seat and numbers simply are not cutting it anymore.
I use the Blue Ox WD and will look further into the payload capacity ratings. This has been very interesting so far. Thank you.
The biggest issue with the Sequoia is the payload capacity (1,300lbs). You're kidding yourself if you think you can make it work and be under max ratings. You have kids which is why you wanted the seating. The Sequoia will be even more overloaded then my Durango is. The Suburban 1/2 ton will also be limited by the cargo capacity (1,629lbs). The 3/4 ton burb (2,120lbs) is the only new SUV on the market today that will keep you under the max ratings. Even a used Excursion (1,710lbs) will be maxed out. Ken Lenger has a great Excel Tow Weight Calculator . I modified it slightly to include my TV specs and such and tweaked it to my preferences (please don't get mad at me Ken) I also added several other vehicles specs. Here is my research and actual weights using his calculator My Tow weights
2004 Dodge Durango Limited w/ 5.7 Hemi & 3.55 Tow package, Bilstein HD Shocks, Timbrens, Airaid CAI, Pirelli ATR 265/70R17 Tires
2007 Jayco 29 BHS w/ Equal-i-zer Brand Hitch and Prodigy Brake Controller, Atwood Deluxe Power Jack
Wife, 3 kids, dog, and me
jbardram wrote: The power difference is a myth. The Sequoia has 4% more hp and 5% more tq, but weighs more. (381hp in TOYOTA 5.7 vs 366hp in CHEVY 6.0. 401tq in Toyota vs 380 in CHEVY.)
Curb weight as per the manufacturers websites ... Sequoia 6030lbs, Suburban 5608 lbs.
The fact the 6.0 Chevy comes with a 4-speed AT vs. Toyota's 6-speed isn't a myth.
Also, while your weight numbers sure "appear" to be correct. It's not apples to apples. Your Suburban weight is undoubtably a base 2wd model with the weaker 5.3 V8 (though Chevy's website does not specify). The Sequoia weight you listed is a 4x4 Limited per the website. An SR5 2wd Sequoia with the 5.7 V8 weighs 5,730 lbs. Plus the 3rd row in the Sequoia is always in the vehicle, and folds flat. A Suburban has bulky removeable 3rd row seats, which tend to negate the larger cargo volume. Food for thought.
I thought the Burb mentioned sounded a bit on the light side and the Sequioa mentioned was a little on the porky side. Also don't forget the Sequioa gets the 4.30 gears as well. Might have less payload (1,300 sounds on the light side too) but it certainly has the advantage in the powertrain department.
High Impact: You may already know but if not I thought I would pass along the fact that Toyota publishes a Payload and Towing Utility Guide that goes into these issues. You can get it off their web site. The Dealers like to emphasize the Tow Rating but seem reluctant to explain or do not understand the importance of Payload. I think they make great vehicles but you have to make sure the one you select is compatible with the vehicle you plan to tow. Good luck.
jbardram wrote: The power difference is a myth. The Sequoia has 4% more hp and 5% more tq, but weighs more. (381hp in TOYOTA 5.7 vs 366hp in CHEVY 6.0. 401tq in Toyota vs 380 in CHEVY.)
Curb weight as per the manufacturers websites ... Sequoia 6030lbs, Suburban 5608 lbs.
The fact the 6.0 Chevy comes with a 4-speed AT vs. Toyota's 6-speed isn't a myth.
Also, while your weight numbers sure "appear" to be correct. It's not apples to apples. Your Suburban weight is undoubtably a base 2wd model with the weaker 5.3 V8 (though Chevy's website does not specify). The Sequoia weight you listed is a 4x4 Limited per the website. An SR5 2wd Sequoia with the 5.7 V8 weighs 5,730 lbs. Plus the 3rd row in the Sequoia is always in the vehicle, and folds flat. A Suburban has bulky removeable 3rd row seats, which tend to negate the larger cargo volume. Food for thought.
You're right about the wieghts seeming odd, but i took it off the manufacturers websites.
You're wrong about the transmissions, they're now both 6spds.
Guest wrote: The wdh will transfer maybe 160# of the TV and onto the trailer axles. Not exactly a cureall for inadequate GVWR.
Why not look at a Burb or Expy EL? If you are buying, these are quite competitive and the US economy could use your help more than Japan's....
Because the new Sequoia with the 5.7 will have much more power and torque than the Burb or the Expy (especially the Expy), unless you can now get the Burb with the 6.2 and the 6 speed, which would be a very nice combo.
BTW, the Sequoia's made in the USA by American workers. That's all the help the economy needs.
The only issue would be if you can make the payload numbers work. As noted above, you might want to look at the CrewMax is you don't need the 3rd seat.
For 09 the 6sp is standard on 1500 Suburbans. The 6.0/6sp is the standard combo on the 2500 Suburban, which may be a better option for the OP.
BTW .. the Sequoia is ASSEMBLED in the US. Wont turn this into a foreign vs domestic argument, but lets call it what it is.
So you're saying ALL the parts in a Sequoia come from Japan? You're kidding right?
Where was your truck assembled? Maybe you're one of the lucky ones like Tundra and Sequoia owners that have a vehicle built in the good 'ol USA by American workers.
So use your term, "we will call it what it is": It's not ASSEMBLED in Mexico or Canada by Mexican or Canadian workers (great for those economies BTW), and I certainly won't turn this into a foreign vs domestic argument as that distinction is fading fast. Further, I refuse to buy a car or truck from a company that cannot turn a profit and loses billions of dollars a year.
As to the 6.0 in the Burb, GM has finally stepped up and made it perform up to its potential. The old 6.0 was a pathetic dog out of the box and needed big bucks in mods to make it perform, as many owners have confirmed. Visit any GM forum if you doubt it. The question is, what took them so long? Do you think the tail kicking it was getting from the little 5.7 Tundra motor and the little Titan 5.3 had anything to do with it?
The fact that there WAS no 5.7 Toyota prior to '07 makes the comparison of older 6.0's a bit unfair, but whatever, maybe the older 6.0 was a dog.
Regarding your refusal to buy products from GM because its losing billions of dollars, it's a free country. But you're missing out on some class leading products, by every measure available, as evidenced in the news even today. Theres very good product parity among the top 6 or 7 manufacturers in quality and performance imo.
There seems to be some confusion about wdh and how it works. The reason a receiver has such big differences in WC vs WDH is not based on the HEAD, but on how the receiver mounts to the vehicle. When in WC mode only the bolts directly above the receiver are in tension; they support the entire tongue weight. When in WDH mode, the torque applied to the receiver spreads the load out across all the bolts holding the receiver to the frame. Using my 160# figure and assuming the trailer axle is 12 feet behind the receiver and that the front receiver bolts are 3 feet forward of the receiver opening, then the 160# results in 640# added to the front receiver bolts. That's a big deal and is why WDH adds so much capacity.
As to my Buy American comment: if you care, you can easily compare the US parts content on the window sticker on every new car at the dealer. No need to ask sales drones, it is there in black and white. If you don't care - well then thanks very little.
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