swebber wrote: My camping buddy swears banning the import of out of state wood is just a way to get more cash in the CG. He sneaks it in.
That's great. Your buddy can swear all he likes, but in Michigan, it is illegal to transport firewood across certain lines. It's not a campground rule, it's a state law (Moving Firewood Prohibited).
To everyone who thinks the Emerald Ash Borer is a joke, come up here to Michigan and see for yourself all the ash trees they're cutting down to stop this thing from spreading. Over the last couple years, every park, recreation area, and residential subdivision around here has had all its ash trees removed.
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Just a thought........but I'm wondering why they arent spraying or using a natural resource to control these problems other than the consumer...They spray farm fields, give animals antibotics and rub pesticides on them to keep the flies away, spray along the interstates to kill weeds, they have a spray of every kind in Lowe's etc...see my point?
Because the national forests comprise literally millions of acres here in the west, and there's absolutely no money to cover anywhere near to what it would cost.
Lynn
Just a thought........but I'm wondering why they arent spraying or using a natural resource to control these problems other than the consumer...They spray farm fields, give animals antibotics and rub pesticides on them to keep the flies away, spray along the interstates to kill weeds, they have a spray of every kind in Lowe's etc...see my point?
Because the national forests comprise literally millions of acres here in the west, and there's absolutely no money to cover anywhere near to what it would cost.
Lynn
hmmmmm. billions of dollars in foreign aid, and no money for our own national forest....I dont buy that one..
There are not millions of acres here in the southeast and there seems to be a monumental problem here with the ash borer, and I honestly believe most are not moving wood where they are not suppose to (give or take a few); so that being said, is there nothing else that can kill them with other than burning?
Once again, here is the answer...I believe if the cg's and SP's would charge a REASONABLE AMOUNT for the firewood; this thread would not be here. I've been in enough campgrounds to know that most enjoy their campfires, its part of camping and these owners know it and they are exploiting the issue.....JMO...
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BigDog1333 wrote: With this and a little country road driving or just find some downed wood, problem solved. Pay for itself in no time. 18v chainsaw Extra battery is also good idea. Dave
LOL Dave, I'm sure property owners would love that one! Although, after the storms we've been having, some might really appreciate it
Once they discover an infestation, they remove every ash tree within a quarter mile.
The campground at Warren Dunes State park in SW Michigan lost 4000 trees and 9000 in the surrounding area. Emerald Ash Borer at Warren Dunes
I've cut at State Parks in Mich during week days and because its battery no one knows. I've even asked the park rangers about some of the downed limbs and got an ok. They just won't allow gas chainsaws, too loud. Quick trip down a 2 track on state land and enough wood for days, no harm, no foul. Dave
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jim isham wrote: Once they discover an infestation, they remove every ash tree within a quarter mile.
The campground at Warren Dunes State park in SW Michigan lost 4000 trees and 9000 in the surrounding area. Emerald Ash Borer at Warren Dunes
What a shame...and exotic bug it says, hard to tell how that happened..
My question is...what PROACTIVE steps are being taken to stop the bug instead of waiting for its destruction, then burning the forest..
I've watched over the last 3 years and see the problem areas growing, and all I hear is dont move the wood; so it seems that the after damage program doesnt seem to be working very well...
I think if we heard what proactive steps were being taken to stop the bug, that might help the whole situation a bit..JMO...
Maybe the SP's should adopt as a goodwill jesture; a free firewood (with a limit) to all campers, that might stop the problem of movement, especially if they are going to burn the trees down anyway...just a thought..
Buffy,
I grew up in the area where you live but now live in western Ohio. Even though EAB has not been detected in the county where I live it is now quartanteed. Why? Because all of the counties around this one have had EAB detected in them. EAB has been found along I-75 from Toledo to Cincinnati and if you look at the infestation map, you will see that the detections have occurred at roadside rests, major exits, etc where travellers frequent (Walmart, restraunts). A detection was made at the roadside rest in Wapakoneta almost 2 years ago. They cut all of the ash trees within 1/2 mile but the EAB are still spreading.
If you look at US 23 from Toledo to Columbus, you can see the pattern of travel. The first place EAB was detected in central Ohio was at Delaware State Park. The only site in West Virginia is a campground. One can only assume a lot of this spread occurred because of firewood since EAB were first found in a campground.
I agree that RVers are not the only people transporting EAB. I have had people tell me that they know what ash looks like and that they can tell an infested tree. What do they have in their truck? Who knows, but in some cases it has to be ash. 10% of Ohio's trees are ash so once it gets in an area, it's virtually impossible to stop. A new systemic has been found that is 99% against EAB but a licensed person has to administer the treatment. The treatment consists of injecting the insecticide into the base of the tree with a needle. It is hoped that this may be a way to help stop the spread. Other possible solutions: genetically resistant ash, sterilized bait EAB released, a natural enemy (foreign wasp), insecticide and more to still be found.
According to regulations, wood can be transported if the bark plus 1/2" of wood is removed. We have a container of odds and ends scraps from milled lumber that we use when camping. We have found that local builders of storage buildings, homes, etc will let a person have those instead of throwing them in the dumpster. You might also be able to buy some of this type of lumber at the local DIY store. They will often bundle or just throw away the warped/split boards. No concern with EAB with this lumber.
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Certain areas of Ontario are infested with EAB. The following excerpt indicates the approach taken by our governments:
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The movement of regulated firewood or infested ash materials poses the greatest threat of spreading the emerald ash borer to uninfested areas. Regulated materials for EAB are trees, nursery stock, logs, lumber, wood packaging, wood or bark, wood chips or bark chips of ash trees, as well as firewood of all species which have not been treated to eliminate the emerald ash borer. This order extends to vehicles that were used to carry any of these items.
The public can help slow the spread of EAB by not moving these materials from the regulated area and by notifying the Canadian Food Inspection Agency of any ash trees that show signs of possible EAB infestation, especially outside of the areas already declared to be infested.
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We have a beautiful green ash in our back yard, and NEVER transport any firewood at all.
agteacher wrote: Buffy,
I grew up in the area where you live but now live in western Ohio. Even though EAB has not been detected in the county where I live it is now quartanteed. Why? Because all of the counties around this one have had EAB detected in them. EAB has been found along I-75 from Toledo to Cincinnati and if you look at the infestation map, you will see that the detections have occurred at roadside rests, major exits, etc where travellers frequent (Walmart, restraunts). A detection was made at the roadside rest in Wapakoneta almost 2 years ago. They cut all of the ash trees within 1/2 mile but the EAB are still spreading.
If you look at US 23 from Toledo to Columbus, you can see the pattern of travel. The first place EAB was detected in central Ohio was at Delaware State Park. The only site in West Virginia is a campground. One can only assume a lot of this spread occurred because of firewood since EAB were first found in a campground.
I agree that RVers are not the only people transporting EAB. I have had people tell me that they know what ash looks like and that they can tell an infested tree. What do they have in their truck? Who knows, but in some cases it has to be ash. 10% of Ohio's trees are ash so once it gets in an area, it's virtually impossible to stop. A new systemic has been found that is 99% against EAB but a licensed person has to administer the treatment. The treatment consists of injecting the insecticide into the base of the tree with a needle. It is hoped that this may be a way to help stop the spread. Other possible solutions: genetically resistant ash, sterilized bait EAB released, a natural enemy (foreign wasp), insecticide and more to still be found.
According to regulations, wood can be transported if the bark plus 1/2" of wood is removed. We have a container of odds and ends scraps from milled lumber that we use when camping. We have found that local builders of storage buildings, homes, etc will let a person have those instead of throwing them in the dumpster. You might also be able to buy some of this type of lumber at the local DIY store. They will often bundle or just throw away the warped/split boards. No concern with EAB with this lumber.
Hey ag,
wow, out of 48 posts u were the only one that had a reasonable explanation other than "because they said so" LOL....
I do understand the situation, my beef is not so much about not transporting as it is the explotation of the prices that cg's are charging due to the fact that we cannot take any...what makes me even more frustrated, is that the SP's are just as bad if not worse and these sp's are the ones we are trying to help by not transporting...I think they could at least sell it at a reasonable price, i also think they would get more people responding positivly to the request and sell more firewood in the process..
Why does everything always have to be a struggle? lol....there is always someone out to make a killing over a catastrophe it seems...
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