Hit a junkyard...a 14" steel rim makes a great hose reel.
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I'm new to RVing and have a few questions on Grey and Black water. I've read that you should treat your holding tanks weekly with toilet and water treatment chemicals and not empty them until they are full or you are ready to hit the road. Wouldn't the chemicals harm the enviroment if the grey water drained on the ground? Also, what do you do with greasy cooking water? Dump down the drain? If so, wouldn't the grease build up in the pipes and on the walls of the holding tanks??
Tom N wrote: Dumping gray water that ends up in any navigable stream is against US federal EPA laws.
-Tom
It is? How come many boats don't even have a grey water tank? Many boats pump shower and sink water overboard from a small sump box. My 24' cabin cruiser did that.
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I agree that one should follow the rules of a campground, be it private or government owned.
My post is not to take a side in this grey water debate, but rather to put it in perspective.
We have a global economy now. Just as we have to accept lower wages and standard of living, we have to accept lower health and hygiene. Let's talk black water for a moment. The nice name put on this "nightsoil".
From: Human Waste (Excreta and Wastewater) Reuse
It has been estimated that in the order of 10 % of the world’s wastewater is currently being used for irrigation. 100 % of the wastewater from the cities of Santiago (Chile) and Mexico City are used for irrigation, constituting some 70 and 80 %, respectively, of the irrigation waters used in the surrounding agricultural zones during the dry season.
From: Public Health Implications of Water Reuse in the Food and Beverage Industry
Globalization of the food supply - while advances in agronomic practices, processing, preservation, distribution and marketing have enabled the raw fruit and vegetable industry to supply high-quality produce to many consumers all year round, some of these same practices have also expanded the geographical distribution and incidence of human illness associated with an increasing number of pathogenic bacterial, viral and parasitic microorganisms (WHO, 1998).
I'm going to remember this the next time I see one of those fancy commercials about how great it is that we can get summer fruit in winter from Chile. Up to now, I thought the only danger was unregulated pesticide use. I have not desire to go, but I have heard eating raw vegetables in China is discouraged.
Just ruined some friends meal of Talipia by sending them this. One of them said that when a blowhard friend of one family member comes over for their 4th of July picnic, they will make it a point of serving him his favorite food, Talipia, then show him the article. They are hoping that the freeloader and his freeloading grown children will leave early so the rest can enjoy the holiday.
Guest wrote: RV grey water is not the same as home washing machine grey water. Home grey water systems used to irrigate gardens are run in pipes EXCLUSIVELY for said grey water, never mixed with pipes that also handle human waste. Most RVs have a single discharge pipe for both grey and black water. You may think you rinsed the black water away, but did you? Not unless you heavily bleached it in between (please don't as the bleach you drip all over ain't good for grass or asphalt!).
Think the tiny remnants of black water waste are no big deal? google 'fecal coliforms' or perhaps 'cholera.' We are spoiled in America not to worry much about these things precisely BECAUSE we have implemented good sanitation practices. Go visit rural South America sometime for some motivation to keep things that way. Cholera KILLS people. Lots of them. Let's keep it away, shall we?
All the above has to do with the potential for fecal coliform contamination. A free standing shower, tent camper dishpans and popup drains with no toilets have none of these issues. The rules are established the way they are because people are too dumb to understand the difference between a grey water drain with the potential to spread fecal coliforms and and one that doesn't. So they ban 'em all.
My unit has 3 tanks, the galley tank and dump valve is totally seperate from the other 2, so how is this different from a tent camper dishpan??
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Dayle1 wrote: My unit has 3 tanks, the galley tank and dump valve is totally seperate from the other 2, so how is this different from a tent camper dishpan??
Makes sense, but do you think a ranger or whatever would buy it?
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