I have a 2002 2500 diesel that came with Michelin. If you looked at them today with 35000 miles , you would think they were near new. They are quiet on the highway, handle well and ride well. They may cost a little more but if you saw them it would tell the story.
BillnBama wrote: I second the Pirelli choice... replaced the Michelins on my truck with Scorpion ATs and couldn't be happier...
I think that Pirelli are junk. I put them on an a Pathfinder that I had and the tires were just about worn out in 15,000 miles. I could not believe it. Pirelli was good about the treadlife warranty and gave me like 70% of the value back to use toward new tires. And I went back to what I know to be good. BFG AT...
This goes to show that each tire maker has good and bad days! I had a bad experience with their product and I will not trust that name again.
2006 CHEVY 2500HD 6.0L 4.10 Ext Cab
Wife, 3 kids (boys... 6 month old, 5 year old, and 6 year old), and our dog RIGZ.
BillnBama wrote: I second the Pirelli choice... replaced the Michelins on my truck with Scorpion ATs and couldn't be happier...
I think that Pirelli are junk. I put them on an a Pathfinder that I had and the tires were just about worn out in 15,000 miles. I could not believe it. Pirelli was good about the treadlife warranty and gave me like 70% of the value back to use toward new tires. And I went back to what I know to be good. BFG AT...
This goes to show that each tire maker has good and bad days! I had a bad experience with their product and I will not trust that name again.
CHRMAN wrote: If your truck needed 10ply(E) tires ,Ford would have offered or made it with them. No way should an F150 have a 10 ply. It will ride horrible as the suspension was designed to be harmonious with the OEM tires. Michelin LTX/MS in a "P" series will be fine.You could contact Michelin though for maximum inflation pressures with your set up. Go to TireRack.com & check out actual users statements of there success with the brands you're considering. BTW LTS/MS doesn't denote "mud & Snow" rating.It denotes a model name & is an all season rating.If stability is an issue install wider rims,up to the width of the tread at the road.
One thing that you don't realize is this.... The 04+ F-150 is right at 6000# with one person and a tank of gas. The P series tires are maxed out before you even hook anything to it. I ran then for a year before I made the switch. It is a night and day difference. THe truck is in dire need of minimum 6 ply due to the weight. Heck.... I had to get a weighted tag on my crew cab F-150 because it is only good to 6000# GVWR. If I put 4 people in the truck and some tools in the bed, I am right at 7000#. The F-150 does need a diet, but is a capable tow machine if you put the correct tires on it.
04 Lariat Supercrew 4x4,5.4,3.73, Edge tuner, flowmaster duals
06 Trail Bay 31BH, nicely optioned
Equal-i-zer
Prodigy
Follow vehicle, 05 KIA Sorento EX for the golden retrievers.
Well it certainly seems like folks have different opinions on tires I want to get out of the P tires as b salgado stated even though Ford doesn't specify a LT tire, the Supercrew needs it. When ever I pull the trailer with my P rated tires, the truck feels mushy.
Goodyear has the Silent Amour in a 6 ply and I can only get the Michelin's in a ten ply (LTX A/S or A/T2's). My old Wrangler tires have some sidewall cracking which Goodyear is giving me $80 a tire in warrantee credit for new Silent Amours. With this credit it brings the price down to be the same as the Michelin A/S. The Michelin's don't come with any tread life warrantee while Goodyear comes with 80000 km or 50000 mile tread life warrantee.
Spiff
01 F150 Super Crew
06 Zeppelin 303
Reese Dual Cam Sway System w/ Prodigy
b_salgado wrote: One thing that you don't realize is this.... The 04+ F-150 is right at 6000# with one person and a tank of gas. The P series tires are maxed out before you even hook anything to it. I ran then for a year before I made the switch. It is a night and day difference. THe truck is in dire need of minimum 6 ply due to the weight. Heck.... I had to get a weighted tag on my crew cab F-150 because it is only good to 6000# GVWR. If I put 4 people in the truck and some tools in the bed, I am right at 7000#. The F-150 does need a diet, but is a capable tow machine if you put the correct tires on it.
Are you being literal about that? The lowest rated P OEM tire that I've seen on an F-150 has a load index of 109.....that means each tire is rated at 2,271 lbs. The total weight that those tires could handle (given a perfect weight distribution) would be 9,084 lbs, well under a 6k lb truck and it's payload.
However I am not saying the LT tires aren't needed for some, but it's more for the stability the strong sidewalls provide. The P tires legally have to be able to carry the load for which the truck is rated. But just adding LT tires, doesn't mean one can exceed the GVWR. (I am just throwing that last in, I know that's not what you're saying)
-2006 Nissan Armada LE 4x4
-2007 Coachmen 19FLB SE
-2007 Regal 1900 w/ 4.3 EFI Volvo
Supercharged wrote: 4-in-a-fiver and my statments make the same amount of since.
b_salgado wrote: One thing that you don't realize is this.... The 04+ F-150 is right at 6000# with one person and a tank of gas. The P series tires are maxed out before you even hook anything to it. I ran then for a year before I made the switch. It is a night and day difference. THe truck is in dire need of minimum 6 ply due to the weight. Heck.... I had to get a weighted tag on my crew cab F-150 because it is only good to 6000# GVWR. If I put 4 people in the truck and some tools in the bed, I am right at 7000#. The F-150 does need a diet, but is a capable tow machine if you put the correct tires on it.
Are you being literal about that? The lowest rated P OEM tire that I've seen on an F-150 has a load index of 109.....that means each tire is rated at 2,271 lbs. The total weight that those tires could handle (given a perfect weight distribution) would be 9,084 lbs, well under a 6k lb truck and it's payload.
However I am not saying the LT tires aren't needed for some, but it's more for the stability the strong sidewalls provide. The P tires legally have to be able to carry the load for which the truck is rated. But just adding LT tires, doesn't mean one can exceed the GVWR. (I am just throwing that last in, I know that's not what you're saying)
I agree Eurohazard you can not exceed the vehicle's limit. I know from my personal experience that when I tow the truck with factory P tires the ride feels mushy and I beleive that an LT tire will improve me ride.
b_salgado wrote: One thing that you don't realize is this.... The 04+ F-150 is right at 6000# with one person and a tank of gas. The P series tires are maxed out before you even hook anything to it. I ran then for a year before I made the switch. It is a night and day difference. THe truck is in dire need of minimum 6 ply due to the weight. Heck.... I had to get a weighted tag on my crew cab F-150 because it is only good to 6000# GVWR. If I put 4 people in the truck and some tools in the bed, I am right at 7000#. The F-150 does need a diet, but is a capable tow machine if you put the correct tires on it.
Are you being literal about that? The lowest rated P OEM tire that I've seen on an F-150 has a load index of 109.....that means each tire is rated at 2,271 lbs. The total weight that those tires could handle (given a perfect weight distribution) would be 9,084 lbs, well under a 6k lb truck and it's payload.
However I am not saying the LT tires aren't needed for some, but it's more for the stability the strong sidewalls provide. The P tires legally have to be able to carry the load for which the truck is rated. But just adding LT tires, doesn't mean one can exceed the GVWR. (I am just throwing that last in, I know that's not what you're saying)
I don't know what tires you are looking at but the BFG rugged trail that were factory on my supercrew were only rated to 1700 each. If they were rated to 2271 I wouldn't have needed the upgrade. I don't see how 2271 on P series is possible when my E rated tires are 3200 each. I am no saying that it is OK to exceed the GVWR on the truck. I am saying after towing with the mushy sidewalls for 1000 miles it was time for them to GO! The coopers are a night and day difference over the P series garbage that auto manufacturers put on $40,000+ trucks. The tow now is controlled and stable. It is solidly planted and rides great. The P series tires are great for a truck that is not towing or hauling anything. Put a load on them and you'll see what I am talking about. My buddy hauled a load of brick with his supercrew. The truck wasn't on the bumpstops. It handled fine, but if he hadn't of had E rated tires, he would have been on the side of the road with a blowout.
Spaceman Spiff wrote: Well it certainly seems like folks have different opinions on tires I want to get out of the P tires as b salgado stated even though Ford doesn't specify a LT tire, the Supercrew needs it. When ever I pull the trailer with my P rated tires, the truck feels mushy.
Goodyear has the Silent Amour in a 6 ply and I can only get the Michelin's in a ten ply (LTX A/S or A/T2's). My old Wrangler tires have some sidewall cracking which Goodyear is giving me $80 a tire in warrantee credit for new Silent Amours. With this credit it brings the price down to be the same as the Michelin A/S. The Michelin's don't come with any tread life warrantee while Goodyear comes with 80000 km or 50000 mile tread life warrantee.
Spiff
The only tire you will find in 6 ply is the silent Armour by GY. I looked and looked. I don't particularly care for GY tires..... I had my share. This is why i went to the 10 PR Coopers. I have heard good reviews on the Silent Armour tire though.... I just tend to steer clear of GY tires.
b_salgado wrote: One thing that you don't realize is this.... The 04+ F-150 is right at 6000# with one person and a tank of gas. The P series tires are maxed out before you even hook anything to it. I ran then for a year before I made the switch. It is a night and day difference. THe truck is in dire need of minimum 6 ply due to the weight. Heck.... I had to get a weighted tag on my crew cab F-150 because it is only good to 6000# GVWR. If I put 4 people in the truck and some tools in the bed, I am right at 7000#. The F-150 does need a diet, but is a capable tow machine if you put the correct tires on it.
Are you being literal about that? The lowest rated P OEM tire that I've seen on an F-150 has a load index of 109.....that means each tire is rated at 2,271 lbs. The total weight that those tires could handle (given a perfect weight distribution) would be 9,084 lbs, well under a 6k lb truck and it's payload.
However I am not saying the LT tires aren't needed for some, but it's more for the stability the strong sidewalls provide. The P tires legally have to be able to carry the load for which the truck is rated. But just adding LT tires, doesn't mean one can exceed the GVWR. (I am just throwing that last in, I know that's not what you're saying)
I don't know what tires you are looking at but the BFG rugged trail that were factory on my supercrew were only rated to 1700 each. If they were rated to 2271 I wouldn't have needed the upgrade. I don't see how 2271 on P series is possible when my E rated tires are 3200 each. I am no saying that it is OK to exceed the GVWR on the truck. I am saying after towing with the mushy sidewalls for 1000 miles it was time for them to GO! The coopers are a night and day difference over the P series garbage that auto manufacturers put on $40,000+ trucks. The tow now is controlled and stable. It is solidly planted and rides great. The P series tires are great for a truck that is not towing or hauling anything. Put a load on them and you'll see what I am talking about. My buddy hauled a load of brick with his supercrew. The truck wasn't on the bumpstops. It handled fine, but if he hadn't of had E rated tires, he would have been on the side of the road with a blowout.
But you said Rugged Trail, so you probably had 275/65/18 like here: 275/65/18
If you scroll your mouse over the 114 where it says "Serv Desc: 114T", you'll see this tire has a load rating of 114. And that 114 means it's rated at 2640 lbs. I wasn't trying to put words in your mouth, LT tires might very well be best for your application. But legally the stock P tires would have carried the load too. And if someone told you otherwise (a tire salesman), then they were "making a sale". But again, LT's offer distinct advantages.....understood.
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I want to get out of the P tires as b salgado stated even though Ford doesn't specify a LT tire, the Supercrew needs it. When ever I pull the trailer with my P rated tires, the truck feels mushy.
