Guns have always interested me and have built a few black power guns from scrap metal but when the kids were born I started to research the pros and cons of having guns in the house.
The best I could find more kids die from the guns in the house for their protection than from guns of those outside of the household. Now we work with them to understand guns since they spend nights in households with guns.
Due to my physical limitations I do not expect to break up any fights, etc. When boon docking I leave the keys for quick access or better and can be moving in the manner of seconds. If I had hook ups I would hate to mess up my electrical and water connections but would in a heart beat to get out of harm's way.
At home is one thing to pull a gun on someone but in a strange place with strange laws it would be harder for me to know friend from foe. There are ways to stop/slow down bad guys without the use of lead. I read a book called Power vs. Force by a David Hawkins that had some interesting thoughts about the use of force and the results.
As pointed out here some with gun owners are a danger to themselves and other law abiding citizens and law offices. I see it a little like seat belt use. You hear of stories where in certain cases not wearing a seat belt saved a life but the odds are in favor of the inverse.
I carry a 38 or 40 Glock. Also I will have my double barrell 410 shotgun. My wife is trained with the Glock, as whe is an adult probation officer, and Texas requirs all officers to be trained. She can outshoot most everybody in her group, so I would probably hand it to her, if needed. I would never want to kill anybody, but I will protect my wife.
Gale Hawkins wrote: The best I could find more kids die from the guns in the house for their protection than from guns of those outside of the household. Now we work with them to understand guns since they spend nights in households with guns.
From what I have read, the kids who have gun accidents are usually those who were not taught gun safety, because their parents didn't believe it was needed, "Our child will never be around a gun!"
I raised 5 kids in a house with guns. Loaded guns. Kept racked in a closet. no locks of any kind. Just the simple prohibition, YOU WILL NOT GO INTO MOM AND DAD'S BEDROOM, AND IF YOU DO GO IN THE BEDROOM, YOU MOST DEFINITELY BETTER NOT GO IN THE CLOSET! As well as the DON'T, they knew WHY NOT. The kids were taught how to shoot, how to check to verify that a gun was empty, to NEVER point a gun at anything you didn't intend to shoot, and of course, they went hunting with us, so they knew that what is shown on TV and in the movies when somebody gets shot is just plain WRONG.
I have always felt that you don't need to child-proof your house if your children are properly housebroken. That philosophy must have SOME merit, all 5 of our kids survived.
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I suppose that did come across poorly. I would not carry it in IL w/o taking extra precautions. Not that you are not legal, but you could certainly be messed with if they feel like it. Not worth the potential hazard.
CHV_FRK wrote: I suppose that did come across poorly. I would not carry it in IL w/o taking extra precautions. Not that you are not legal, but you could certainly be messed with if they feel like it. Not worth the potential hazard.
You very well could be messed with in IL and also WI.
IL and WI are the only two states in the USA that WILL NOT issue a CCW permit to the average citizen and as such are to be avoided at all costs if you are carrying a hand gun.
IL & WI will also not honor any other states CCW as well.
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Have been following this thread and came up with an interesting 'hypothetical' scenario:
SETTING = RV driver at state line where firearms are prohibited:
Trooper: "Hello sir, may I see your license and registration"
RVer: "Sure officer is there a problem...did I do something wrong?"
Trooper: "Be right back, going to check on your information...."
(coupla' minutes pass, and Trooper returns):
Trooper: "Sir I'm going to have to ask you to exit the vehicle please"
RVer: "Of course officer, again...is there a problem...?"
Trooper: "Sir do you have any firearms in the RV?"
RVer: (Gulp)...."Why no sir...why do you ask"?
Trooper: "Because you stated on the RV.net forum in June that you carried a firearm with you at all times. Have a seat here in my cruiser while I check your RV...please gimme' your keys...?"
LOL...LOL...!...
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Anyone planning to carry a firearm should read each individual state's laws and reciprocity agreements at: handgunlaw.us. Read: In The Gravest Extreme, by Masaad F. Ayoob (The Role of the Firearm in Personal Protection), and when you make a decision to carry/possess a firearm also take a firearms training course!
In a life or death situation, if you must pause to think about aiming or operating the weapon- you are dead.
I taught firearms training for the Army for 12 years, I can't stress it's importance enough.
Firearms are always and interesting topic and so much misinformation.
Carrying a firearm is always a personal decision and should not be taken lightly. Training and understanding the laws are a must. Rvers violate firearm laws on a daily basis.
CCW's are not good in all states and NEVER on Federal Lands. So, if you are going to a national park then you could be in for some trouble if you have one and it's discovered.
The Federal law on interstate transportation of firearms nearly never applies to Rvers who are traveling around seeing the country. Simply because you're not going DIRECTLY from point A to point B. Again, you can not pass through Federal lands.
Forget the nonsense that the RV is your house. A Rv traveling down the road is subject to the same criteria for warrantless searches that cars are.
For me my decision is to carry one. i posses a GA CCW and I can carry in every state due to HR218.
I carry for the following reason.
1. Wally mart stays.
2. Boondocking stays.
3. Hiking.
The big reason is number 3. I've had many incidents while deep in the woods, involving people and a few bears.
For example, we ran into a crazy about 5 miles deep in the woods. I was hiking with 4 other cops and we ran across a guy wearing a 3 piece suit, carrying a brief case. He insisted to me that that he wasn't paying for parking and became very agitated. i then heard the safeties being clicked behind me. The nut then trotted off into the woods stating, "I am not paying for parking".
Then on another trip a couple of miles into the woods we came across about 20 rastifarians smoking blunts. That was interesting.
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Have been following this thread and came up with an interesting 'hypothetical' scenario:
.."Why no sir...why do you ask"?
