Glen41 wrote: I suspect it is legal here. Otherwise why would a state park have a "No Grey Water Dumping" sign in place? If it were illegal, the sign wouldn't be needed.
When I was a kid, our kitchen sink drain went straight into an open ditch beside the house. Of course that was long, long, ago when dinosaurs roamed...
The State Park sign would be worded differently - something like "No Gray Water Dumping" under penalty of law (statute xx.xxx).
Just wondering about when dinosaurs roamed, is that also when everything was "black and white"?
Well mousefart - if you bothered to read the entire law including the definitions section gey water IS pretty well defined.
That is sort of like saying a speed limit sign doessn't apply to me 'cause it doesn't define for whom????
cruiserjs wrote: Well mousefart - if you bothered to read the entire law including the definitions section gey water IS pretty well defined.
That is sort of like saying a speed limit sign doessn't apply to me 'cause it doesn't define for whom????
Well, by all means, please post that section then. Don't insinuate that I am stupid because of an important part that you chose not to post.
The part you did post does NOT define this, therefor I am CORRECT in assuming that "liquid waste" may NOT include greywater and may in fact include Kool-Aid.
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I'd prefer not to dump gray at all if possible so I carry a collapsible 5 gallon carboy and an adapter to fit my dump connection with a garden hose connection. Then I can get rid of 5 gallons of gray water and dump it at the next station. That is usually enough to get me to the next dump station.
Chris Person
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2008 Pleasure-Way TS2
Mousefart wrote: ....
The Oregon law that everyone is debating so much is VERY clear. You can not DRIVE your RV with the cap off your sewer connection. People who are reading grey water disposal restrictions into this statement are REALLY stretching their imaginations.
Well, I agree that the law is very clear but not with the rest of your paragraph. "Operation" of a recreational vehicle does not mean DRIVING IT as it also refers to trailers and other roadworthy structures! The law refers to all recreational vechicles and is specifically concerned with any RV "... equipped with a plumbing, sink or toilet fixture..." as outlined in section 1, subsection (b) of the law. Notice that it says plumbing, sink OR toilet fixture which would include RVs that only have grey water plumbing.
Also, section 2 of the Oregon law is very clear as its statement of "includes, but is not limited to" lists many of the included areas but the law would also include areas not listed that are open/designed for public use that the environment is nature based (in other words - not a manmade environment). Private parks and most private property would not be regulated by this law as their intent is not to be open to the public.
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Second, if you are boondocking or in a dispersed, wooded campground, dumping your greywater is BENEFICIAL to the environment. If you are crammed in side to side in the local KOA, COMMON SENSE should tell you that even though it won't hurt the environment, it's going to make a muddy, smelly mess that is going to be offensive to everyone.
I also don't agree that greywater would be considered BENEFICIAL to the environment in all circumstances. The BLM areas of southern California prohibit greywater dumping as it could damage and change the desert environment. You can check out what BLM areas prohibit greywater dumbing by going to BLM Link.
Remember that one or two RVers dumbing greywater in the same area would probably not cause too much distress but since there are literally tens of thousands of RVers and many congregate in the same areas year after year this could cause a large distress to the environment or to water supplies. As Mousefart says, use common sense but also have consideration for the environment, neighbors, and fellow RVers!
-jc
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I also don't agree that greywater would be considered BENEFICIAL to the environment in all circumstances. The BLM areas of southern California prohibit greywater dumping as it could damage and change the desert environment. You can check out what BLM areas prohibit greywater dumbing by going to BLM Link.
Note: See original post for complete quote.
Thanks for that link. There is lots of great info there. I will add that link to my website. I could not find the greywater part . . . can you be more specific on that?
This is the kind of information I wanted when I intiated the subject. Definitive rules, laws, and regs. So far, I think one could be cited in many areas yet the law used for justification may or may not really apply. It would seem to me that if you choose to dump greywater and do not have a dump station available, disgression is the operational word. I have a water hose connection built into the cap on the greywater storage. Using a hose, I can be much more directional, less harmful to any surface area and perhaps a bit more stealthy.
Wikipedia has a pretty good definition of greywater BTW.
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Keith
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Can't say whether it is legal or not. My wife and I just got back from a local campground where there is no dumpstation. When we got home, she asked if I was just going to dump it down the street drain. (We did not use the black tank on the trip) I told her I was not taking any chances and went ahead and used a bucket to take it out 2 gallons at a time and put it down the sink in the garage. Hope that does not get me in trouble!!
kmessinger wrote: ...disgression is the operational word. I have a water hose connection built into the cap on the greywater storage. Using a hose, I can be much more directional, less harmful to any surface area and perhaps a bit more stealthy.
Wikipedia has a pretty good definition of greywater BTW.
Keith,
I agree that discretion is the operational word; however, the discretionary abilities of us and our fellow RVers to know when and where it is an environmentally discretionary act to dispose of gray water is nothing I am willing to assume.
It's not a flaw by any means, we human beings are ignorant. I honestly used to think that waste buried in the desert would decompose in a timely manner; now I know better. I'm sure that there are still other things too that I assume are leave-no-trace practices that we violate.
I will only dump our gray water in a sewage waste reciprocal. After seeing the black waste that came from our gray water tank after a trip with the GEO Method and a Flush King, I wouldn't want anyone putting that stuff on the ground, so I wont.
So, I guess in the case of we RVers, let's hope that disgression (sic) is the better part of less harmful valor.
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