Text, video, and everything. Not definitive, I know, but I don't see why this guy would go through all that trouble to lie. He's not running the car with the hydrogen, just using it to supplement the gasoline.
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John P.
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I am still completely unwilling to go running around shouting "It's impossible, it violates all the laws of common sense, physics, chemistry, alchemy, astrology, geology, paleontology, biology, geometry, and any other branch of "science" you can name!" Five years from now I don't want to be in the position of having to retract any such statements when there are hundreds of these things on the road.
Then again, I am also unwilling to go running around shouting "how wonderful, it's great, why didn't somebody think of this sooner", either.
I will just wait and see. Sooner or later it will be either proven or disproven via real, actual, controlled testing.
Until then, I just don't know...
CM1, USN (RET)
'94 Dodge 3500 4X2 CTD, Std. cab, LB, 5 speed, 4.10 LS diff., Jacobs Rambrake, 273,000 Miles
'99 Monaco McKenzie 32' triple slide
'95 Tioga 29H Ford-based Class C
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In the late 60's I was taught that sending digital information over twisted pair wires makes it go away due to losses due to the frequencies involved, through inductance and capacitance. All simple physics I was taught.
I am sitting here typing on a computer that has a download speed that is super fast, I mean, right now for even very large files. All of this comes up from the basement over wires that were installed in the 1920's. I know that this sort of thing cannot be done, and I don't think that the laws of physics have changed, nor has the formula for inductance and capacitance.
Somebody figured out a way to work around it. They always do.
It depends on the source of the Hydrogen. If he plugs in the car at night to make the Hydrogen, then he is just using the power grid to increase his mpg. If he is using the car generator to make the Hydrogen, then we are talking about a perpetual motion machine.
Doug4.7 wrote: It depends on the source of the Hydrogen. If he plugs in the car at night to make the Hydrogen, then he is just using the power grid to increase his mpg. If he is using the car generator to make the Hydrogen, then we are talking about a perpetual motion machine.
I don't understand, How can it be a "perpetual motion machine"? If it runs out of gasoline, it stops. No "perpetual motion" there. It absolutely can NOT make enough hydrogen (HHO, if you will) to run continuously. No "perpetual motion" there, either.
Vehicles today have "generators"?
Well you can tell what a genius the guy is when he says at the end of the article that there wont be any help from the government because Bush owns oil fields in Texas. Oh really?
It takes more energy to make the hydrogen than the hydrogen can produce. No way around that. Like one of the commenters on the story site said, its like making an electric car and mounting a windmill on it to charge the batteries when you drive it. It can't possible work.
Doug4.7 wrote: It depends on the source of the Hydrogen. If he plugs in the car at night to make the Hydrogen, then he is just using the power grid to increase his mpg. If he is using the car generator to make the Hydrogen, then we are talking about a perpetual motion machine.
Doug, how does using the car generator make it a perpetual motion machine? People, this is not a perpetual motion engine, the engine still uses gasoline to run. The HHO generator eventually has to be refilled with water because it's used up during electrolysis, just like a gasoline tank. HHO's don't make vehicles perpetually "self fueling" any more than gasoline does. The engine doesn't run on the hydrogen itself, but the hydrogen/gasoline mix. And it will eventually run out of both, just (hopefully) further down the road than with gasoline alone.
To be a perpetual motion machine the HHO generator would have to convert water into gases, then somehow use the gases to make more water to add to its reservoir to in turn make more hydrogen... that's not what happens here. The car generator gives the HHO power but the HHO isn't in turn running the engine all by itself, just added to the gasoline. Again, it's just adding the hydrogen/oxygen mix to the intake gasses, like nitrous.
Now does it work for sure? I don't know but with gas prices this high I'm sorely tempted to find out definitively. Uh... on my wife's car.
Think about it. If he is running the electrolysis device from his alternator, then the car engine has to work harder to do that. If it produces more energy than it it takes to make the hydrogen, then that violates the laws of physics. There aint no free lunch.
Jumbo Cranium wrote: Think about it. If he is running the electrolysis device from his alternator, then the car engine has to work harder to do that. If it produces more energy than it it takes to make the hydrogen, then that violates the laws of physics. There aint no free lunch.
The guy says he's getting 15 mpg more and he's probably running 10-15 amps to run the HHO. Does turning on your headlights or some other 10-15 amp item rob your car of 15 mpg? Also, the alternator is always running anyway, it's not harder for the engine to turn the alternator when something's drawing power, is it?
Yes, when the power is being taken from an altenator it DOES work harder to produce it. It free wheels until it is needed to provide that power. One HP equals about one KW. That is why most HD trucks have HD altenators. Like one poster said, "Nothing comes for free!"
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