kmb1966 wrote: There were once "fundamentals" that said the earth was flat.
Actually, since Eratosthenes measured the size of the earth to a pretty fair approximation back around the end of the 3rd century BCE, no educated person thought the earth flat. The argument against Columbus was not that he was going to fall off the edge, but that his estimation of the size was far too small and his ships could not possibly carry the supplies necessary for the voyage. This was true and he and his crew would have died had not there been an unknown continent in their way.
The flat earth story is exactly that - a story. It originated with Washington Irving's biography of Columbus. More details can be found in Jeffrey Burton Russell's "Inventing the Flat Earth." It's a relatively modern fiction that has become a well-known urban legend.
what-EV-VAH. Point is, things change, and over time people and theories are proven and disproven.
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kmb1966 wrote: what-EV-VAH. Point is, things change, and over time people and theories are proven and disproven.
The Laws of Thermodynamics and The Law of Conservation of Energy are not theories. They will not change. Slim possibility that maybe at the core of a black hole or some other exotic locale they might not work quite they way they do here, but as for Earth, they are not negotioable.
This all reminds me of another scheme that was supposed to turn physics on its ear. Anyone remember cold fusion? Even though it has been thoroughly debunked and proven that it consumes more energy than it produces, there are still people who believe. But I haven't seen any cold fusion products hit the market yet, have you?
Why have a problem with this technology? The gasoline engine is about 15 to 20% efficient.
A cycle to compare to would be a steam plant. We use the rejected heat to preheat the incoming water while recirculating the used steam, thus making the entire cycle more efficient, not creating energy just making the process more efficient.
No laws of physics or thermodynamics being broken, just process changes to make the original energy source more efficient.
While not scientific, a local TV station did a story on one of these devices. They controlled every variable you would and came up with some improved fuel economy.
tommyznr wrote: Why have a problem with this technology? The gasoline engine is about 15 to 20% efficient.
A cycle to compare to would be a steam plant. We use the rejected heat to preheat the incoming water while recirculating the used steam, thus making the entire cycle more efficient, not creating energy just making the process more efficient.
No laws of physics or thermodynamics being broken, just process changes to make the original energy source more efficient.
While not scientific, a local TV station did a story on one of these devices. They controlled every variable you would and came up with some improved fuel economy.
I know the news story you are referring to. Stay tuned, they are giving a followup report on July 15th.
kmb1966 wrote: There were once "fundamentals" that said the earth was flat.
The flat earth story is exactly that - a story. It originated with Washington Irving's biography of Columbus. More details can be found in Jeffrey Burton Russell's "Inventing the Flat Earth." It's a relatively modern fiction that has become a well-known urban legend.
what-EV-VAH. Point is, things change, and over time people and theories are proven and disproven.
Point is, basing your argument on false analogies does nothing to support your argument; only weakens it.
And theories are never proved, only shown to be inaccurate representations of the physical world. See Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" for more information.
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kmb1966 wrote: There were once "fundamentals" that said the earth was flat.
The flat earth story is exactly that - a story. It originated with Washington Irving's biography of Columbus. More details can be found in Jeffrey Burton Russell's "Inventing the Flat Earth." It's a relatively modern fiction that has become a well-known urban legend.
what-EV-VAH. Point is, things change, and over time people and theories are proven and disproven.
Point is, basing your argument on false analogies does nothing to support your argument; only weakens it.
And theories are never proved, only shown to be inaccurate representations of the physical world. See Kuhn's "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" for more information.
tommyznr wrote: While not scientific, a local TV station did a story on one of these devices. They controlled every variable you would and came up with some improved fuel economy.
The bold phrase is your problem. They did not control for every variable because they simply do not have the equipment to do so. There is a reason why research is done in universities with big budgets and lots of slave labor (I mean graduate students...).
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what-EV-VAH. Point is, things change, and over time people and theories are proven and disproven.
