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dav5942

Stuart, FL

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Posted: 06/30/08 01:27pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

oldusedbear wrote:

You've got lots of ideas here. Some are pretty good.

A clarification (explanation) on ozone. Contrary to some opinion, ozone does NOT cover up odors. It DOES destroy them - - but still has limitations. Most oxygen, just sitting around doing its thing, is in the form of 0-2 (can't type exponents or "sub-ponents" on this keyboard). Think of those two atoms of oxygen just hanging out holding hands - - sorta friendly like. Ozone however, is what you get if there are THREE atoms of oxygen instead of the usual two. Turns out that like most triangles, the third one may be sort of loose and flighty - - chemists call this "active." That means that the extra atom is more than anxious to take off and go get tied up somewhere else. That's what ozone does - - the extra oxygen atom zips around looking for some other atoms (maybe smells, or maybe even your tires) to glom onto and OXIDIZE.

So how about smells - - All of them, including the bad ones are the gaseous vapors coming off of SOMETHING. Could be smoke, something spilled, something dead - - whatever. Sometimes they come from something very volatile, and will disappear on their own with time and some temperature. Rubbing alcohol could be a good example. Evaporates rapidly and the smell goes away. An opposite example could be 90 weight gear oil - - stinks pretty badly, and takes forever to evaporate.

If you put a pan with some gear oil in a small room, it would smell it up considerably. An ozone generator, would chomp up the smell in a hurry, but it would come right back as soon as you removed the generator. You have to get rid of the pan with the standing oil to cure the problem.

Smoke, tobacco tars and such, are also stinky and are made up of heavy molecules. They soak into fabrics, wood, and other porous materials. Takes a long time to reverse that process. Heat can speed up getting those smells back out of whatever they have soaked into, and once out, they can be "eaten up" by ozone. But this process (chemists call it "outgassing")can be pretty slow.

So the best approach is actually a combination of things (assuming you ARE going to try to clean up the smell - - as opposed to buying a coach that doesn't have the problem). First, you would clean and scrub out the source of the smell as much as possible. Painting, and replacement are options too. In short, do everything you can to REMOVE THE SOURCE. Then, if you follow up with a commercial grade ozone generator - - not the puny little home ionizers you get on the shopping channel, you will see results. A real one generally will cost 500 bucks or more - - probably best to rent one. It will produce high (dangerous to health) levels of ozone in a hurry. You do NOT want a lot of exposure to these high levels - - eyes, nose, lungs are easily damaged.

So - - Yes, ozone works. But, it takes a lot of time and additional effort as well. You can make lots of improvement over what you are starting with, but it may still not satisfy you, and as others have said, it IS a buyer's market out there.


Good Luck, even with the commercial grade ozonator the smell will return as the ozone only "covers it up figuratively speaking". You must remove the source period!


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nosticks

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Posted: 06/30/08 06:58pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Ok, I'm convinced. Thank you all for your replies. Even another 10k off will not make up for the smell. I just wanted to see if anyone had ever been successful in eliminating smoke odors. Looks like their market will be even further limited by having to find someone oblivious to the odor, and that would only be another smoker.


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Posted: 06/30/08 07:04pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

We eliminated cigar odor (mine) when I quit smoking by getting a dehumidifier and really drying out the RV. Seems getting everything to a high humidity and removing the humidity can make a difference. Removing the moisture takes the odor with it. Good luck.


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corgi-traveler

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Posted: 06/30/08 07:11pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

FWIW, We had good luck getting the smoke smells out of our Bounder. The smell is 99% gone. Meaning, if it's been closed up for a few days in warm weather, you get a faint whiff when you first open the door, but that's all. 10 minutes of airing out and it's fine again. I will eventually replace the carpet, and I believe that will take that last 1% with it.

It wasn't easy. Started with Odoban by itself. Worthless. Rented a "Rug Doctor" and did a heavy shampoo with Febreeze in the tank. Did the floors, even had DH help me lift the machine up onto the sofa (made out into a bed) and did the flat surface that way. Used the upholstery attachment for all the other furniture surfaces. Got a new mattress. Tore out the ugly (and smelly) window coverings and got new ones. Removed the wallpaper from the walls. Scrubbed the bare plywood walls with a bleach and TSP-substitute solution, and threw in the rest of the bottle of Odoban for good measure. Let that dry for several days, then sealed and painted the walls. With that final step, the smell was gone.

If you're not willing to go that hardcore, I'd pass. We didn't pass, because the price was right and we were willing to put in the sweat equity.


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