Harvard
51.37N 114.42W
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c/w Water and Propane package and Electric Brakes from X-RV in Vancouver, WA. We pulled it home (850 miles thru the Rockies to Calgary, AB) behind our 2007 Honda Civic EX 5SPD, 1998cc @ 175HP@ 8000RPM. Total weight wet comes in at 4990 lbs (F1760 R1760 T1470). We cruise along with the traffic at about 30 pounds per horsepower, mileage has been reduced from 40 m/usg to 23 m/usg. Typical max RPM required on steep grades was 4500 RPM (red lines at 6750RPM). Our Hidden Hitch is rated for 2000 lbs. Great match, engine temperature never moved while pull grades in record temperatures and the A/C going full blast. Do not let the North American Honda User Manual throw you off, goto honda.co.uk and download the brochure of your choice for actual tow ratings.
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R N R
Denver area
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Harvard wrote:.... We pulled it home (850 miles thru the Rockies to Calgary, AB) ....
So did you camp one nite in it? How was it? Did you find it too small or are you ok w/ the limited foot print?
Ours makes a nice tent off the ground.  Good luck and have fun.
Steve & Sharon + 2 dogs
'99 ZR2 Blazer
'03 Chalet Arrowhead w/ bunk bed option (makes a great dog house)
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Harvard
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Our initial impression was "it is bigger then we expected" because at one time we camped in a CombiCamp. We stayed in it 4 nights and we are very happy with the available space and the bed width. We have only one bubble top window over the table/bed in the rear top, we want to add a second in the front top. This was the only unit we could find in stock in all of west side of US/Canada. We also looked at a Kamparoo, this was before we learned the true towing capacity of our Civic. We are glad we went big...LOL.
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WaltinColo
Colorado Springs, Colorado
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Nice Camper! Should have lots a fun with that!
Not sure i would pick through manuals till i found one with the numbers i wanted to read.
Pretty sure our Honda Accord wouldnt be happy pulling a camper through the Rockies. Or not for very long anyways...
I'm gonna stick with the manual for the country im living in.
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'06 AWD V6 Saturn Vue
'05 Jayco 1207
'07 22ft SunTracker Regency pontoon
Me, the wife, and the little guy....
...oh, and 1 loving, ready to go camping anytime, Black Lab
DAYS CAMPED SINCE PUP PURCHASE: 112
BEERS DRANK: 2374 
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Harvard
51.37N 114.42W
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WaltinColo wrote:.
Pretty sure our Honda Accord wouldnt be happy pulling a camper through the Rockies. Or not for very long anyways...
This is our 4th Honda car since the early 80s. Our 1990 Accord EXR was a tent transporter for its first year. Then, we had a 2000 lb custom hitch welded to the frame because there were no bolt on hitches available for it in 1991. That 90 Accord pulled a tent trailer weighing over 1100 lbs Coast to Coast in Canada and SW USA for the next 10 years. When we sold it in 2002 it had 260,000 miles (419,000 kMs) on the odometer, even though, heaven forbid, I only changed the oil every 6000 miles. I have no doubt we will have the same experience with our current hardware. For those who are up on the 2007 and later Hondas you will know the oil auto minder trips an oil change every 6000 miles or so..... Auto performance marketing in Europe is more competitive because of the historical price of gas. This fact of life is now reaching North America.
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WaltinColo
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Well cool!
I look forward to when the numbers go up in my manual!
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Harvard
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WaltinColo wrote:Well cool!
I look forward to when the numbers go up in my manual!
Well, here is a start, quoting from the 2007 Honda Civic Sedan (North American) Users Manual:
Page 204: Towing a Trailer: Total Trailer Weight: "The maximum allowable towing weight of the trailer and everything in or on it must not exceed 1000 pounds (450 kG)".
Page 206: Towing a Trailer: Trailer Brakes: "Honda recommends that any trailer having a total weight of 1000 lbs (450 kG) or more be equipped with its own electric or surge-type brakes."
There is no apparent attempt in the manual to qualify any connection between these two paragraphs that I can decipher. In Europe it is plainly stated as part of the specifications in the sales brochure, the UK version happens to be in English.
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Kavoom
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>>2007 Honda Civic EX 5SPD>Chalet LTW>4990 lbs>Rockies<<
Amazing!!!! Scary!!!! IMHO...
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Harvard
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Kavoom wrote:>>2007 Honda Civic EX 5SPD>Chalet LTW>4990 lbs>Rockies<<
Amazing!!!! Scary!!!! IMHO...
Just to be sure, thats 4990 lbs total weight. I assume you are referring to stopping capability and engine braking on down grades since the acceleration and pulling power is obviously not an issue. The trailer brakes take care of the trailer for full stops. The 5 speed manual engine braking is much more effective and selective then my experience with the automatic in the 28 foot Class C (14,000 lbs c/w toad) or the 34 foot Class A (21,000 lbs c/w toad) we have owned. Never, in any conveyance going down grade, do you ever ride the brakes, or the clutch for that matter, when you have one. You always go down a grade in the same gear as you would go up the same grade, there is nothing scary. IMHO
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Caddywhompus
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Harvard wrote:Page 204: Towing a Trailer: Total Trailer Weight: "The maximum allowable towing weight of the trailer and everything in or on it must not exceed 1000 pounds (450 kG)".
Page 206: Towing a Trailer: Trailer Brakes: "Honda recommends that any trailer having a total weight of 1000 lbs (450 kG) or more be equipped with its own electric or surge-type brakes." And people wonder why I no longer put much faith in published tow ratings.
On one page they tell you the maximum rating, and tell you never to exceed it. On the next page they tell you to use brakes any time you tow more than the maximum.
I'll tell you what happened there. When they edited the owner's manual for the US version to lower the tow rating, they neglected to remove the extra information re trailer brakes originally meant for European eyes only.
Wow. And people STILL believe these non-legal, non-official published tow ratings are the word of god, never to be questioned by anyone.
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'05 Subaru Forester (Backup tow vehicle)
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