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Posted: 07/04/08 02:31am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

coolbreeze01 wrote:

Had to laugh at a 50 something male unit in a convertible, on his phone, sitting in a left turn lane yesterday in Susanville. Guy behind him blew his horn when it appeared the phone call was more important than going on the green arrow.
Sounds like a good law to me.


Wonder if the guy that honked at him was my dad, or if he was my dad...


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96Bounder30E wrote:

turninghawk wrote:


So why is it that California is such a great place to live?.....




Not needing to know how to winterize your RV or anything else you own is a big enough reason for me!

plus, I get to wear a T-shirt, shorts and sandals 365 days a year (unless I have to go to a weeding or funeral)


It's a little like Hawaii...you go out to the backyard to plant something, and don't bother to check what season it is....

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96Bounder30E wrote:

I always crack up at people that mention California's earthquakes as a reason not to want to live here........it's not like we have them every day!

I haven't felt one since the 1994 Northridge quake.......14 years ago!


Wasn't the Landers/Big Bear quakes after Northridge? What about the Whittier Narrows quake?

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jcapps wrote:

Well maybe someone should tell the officials, including the police what the law allows so they can tell the citizens the facts. Instead of misinformation

Here are some answers to FAQ

DRIVERS 18 AND OVER

Drivers 18 and over will be allowed to use a hands-free device to talk on their wireless telephone while driving. The following FAQs apply to those motorists 18 and over:

Q: Does the new “hands-free” law prohibit you from dialing a wireless telephone while driving or just talking on it?
A: The new law does not prohibit dialing, but drivers are strongly urged not to dial while driving.

Q: Will it be legal to use a Blue Tooth or other earpiece?
A: Yes, however you cannot have BOTH ears covered.

Q: Does the new hands-free law allow you to use the speaker phone function of your wireless telephone while driving?
A: Yes.

Q: Does the new “hands-free” law allow drivers 18 and over to text page while driving?
A: The law does not specifically prohibit that, but an officer can pull over and issue a citation to a driver of any age if, in the officer’s opinion, the driver was distracted and not operating the vehicle safely. Text paging while driving is unsafe at any speed and is strongly discouraged.


BTW this was taken from the CA dmv website, since you are in law enforcement it might help to let someone know what the people are being told by the official website of the CA dmv


I'm aware of what DMV is saying as well as CHP, but if you read the text of the law it is really not all that clear. So I go back to what I already said, it's a poorly written law. It should have specified what they wanted more clearly.
Well apparently the powers that be ie DMV and CHP have interpreted it as above. The beat cop or traffic cop should not be taking it on himself to interpret it the way HE decides the law reads.

I mean the DMV and CHP I am sure, have consulted state attorneys and determined this is the official interpretation of the law, who is the traffic cop to override them.
As I said some of these traffic cops are going to be wasting taxpayers dollars because they think they know better


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Posted: 07/04/08 11:16am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

jcapps wrote:

msmith1199 wrote:

jcapps wrote:

Well maybe someone should tell the officials, including the police what the law allows so they can tell the citizens the facts. Instead of misinformation

Here are some answers to FAQ

DRIVERS 18 AND OVER

Drivers 18 and over will be allowed to use a hands-free device to talk on their wireless telephone while driving. The following FAQs apply to those motorists 18 and over:

Q: Does the new “hands-free” law prohibit you from dialing a wireless telephone while driving or just talking on it?
A: The new law does not prohibit dialing, but drivers are strongly urged not to dial while driving.

Q: Will it be legal to use a Blue Tooth or other earpiece?
A: Yes, however you cannot have BOTH ears covered.

Q: Does the new hands-free law allow you to use the speaker phone function of your wireless telephone while driving?
A: Yes.

Q: Does the new “hands-free” law allow drivers 18 and over to text page while driving?
A: The law does not specifically prohibit that, but an officer can pull over and issue a citation to a driver of any age if, in the officer’s opinion, the driver was distracted and not operating the vehicle safely. Text paging while driving is unsafe at any speed and is strongly discouraged.


BTW this was taken from the CA dmv website, since you are in law enforcement it might help to let someone know what the people are being told by the official website of the CA dmv


I'm aware of what DMV is saying as well as CHP, but if you read the text of the law it is really not all that clear. So I go back to what I already said, it's a poorly written law. It should have specified what they wanted more clearly.
Well apparently the powers that be ie DMV and CHP have interpreted it as above. The beat cop or traffic cop should not be taking it on himself to interpret it the way HE decides the law reads.

I mean the DMV and CHP I am sure, have consulted state attorneys and determined this is the official interpretation of the law, who is the traffic cop to override them.
As I said some of these traffic cops are going to be wasting taxpayers dollars because they think they know better


What would you like me to tell you? All I can say is a DMV interpretation and a CHP interpretation hold no weight of law. If Los Angeles has somehow interpreted the law differently then it's up to the courts to decide. In my reading of the law I tend to think DMV and CHP are wrong in their interpretation. But then again I go back to what I've said twice now, it's a poorly written law. Maybe you should send your complaints to the legislature who wrote it.


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If you never had a family member or friend that was killed or hurt badly by someone running a red light while talking on their cell phone, or driving into their lane, then I can see why you said this. I have a close friend that was hurt very badly by a woman running a red light while talking on a cell phone. Put my friend into the hospital. Hit so bad that their heart was bruised! That lady that caused the accident, only got charged for running the red light.
I wish they would pass a nation wide law against cell phone usage while driving or text messaging or anything related to cell phones. Also other activities done while driving. Some people just can't do two things at same time.


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Posted: 07/04/08 12:28pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Several teens have been killed text messaging here in Colorado in last 2 years. More than one time too!


Why can't we edit our post today????

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mowermech wrote:

"DISTRACTED DRIVING"
SNIP
Nice place. In some areas. Of course, a "living wage" in most areas there is rich folks income here, and I wouldn't live anyplace which has BOTH an income tax and a sales tax. That, in and of itself, could cause "distracted driving"!


Hey, don't forget Minnesota. We have both an income tax and a 6.5% sales tax. Plus the "big" cities have their own "piggyback" sales tax additions. We'd be living in the Flathead Valley right now, but the wife doesn't like the mountains surrounding her.


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As most every state has a inattentive driving and / or negligent driving statute it seems these new laws are just "do gooder" type things that do little more than adding more weight and wasted space to the lawbooks. Why not just enforce the current laws already on the books?

Yeah, I know....them legislative numskulls have to look like they are actually accomplishing something.


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Posted: 07/04/08 01:12pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Good Law!

HANG UP AND DRIVE!




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