Do you use both products at the same time? Are they Glucosamine based? The reason I ask is that I checked Moonbeam's dog food "Canadae" and it has 525 mg. Glucosamine HCL and 425 mg. Choindroitin in the ingredients. However, I do not believe that she is eating enough to count on her getting the full benefit. Thinking of giving her the tablets supplements too. Personally, I don’t think that I could give her an “over dose” of these two products. Don’t know?
We are on hold with all products until I can sort out this dilemma. I am in total agreement with you on not using NSAIDS after I have read more about the side effects. Rimadyl even states that death could occur. I know that the product has to state all possible side effects, but that does not sound like a medication that I want to give our baby Moonbeam. Especially since her liver enzyme count is at 250 where 150 is considered normal.
Thanks for your reply and the info,
Dawn
Kevin & Dawn
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Yes, Koko just died of liver disease. She was seen on our travels at a vet spec. clinic and they kept asking if she was on Rimadyl. At this point, I would not any of my dogs on that, but they were not concerned about the metacam. However, I am a big fan of putting the dogs early on glucosamine/Chondrotin as Koko was on it most of her life and did not need the NSAIDS like her mother did. BenBen is on it and is showing no significant problems with arthritis at 7 1/2. If he reaches a stage where he is crippled and losing quality of life, then I would try other things including metacam - but no rimadyl
Just IMHO
Barb
I did not know that Koko died of liver disease. I remember that she passed during the night and in her favorite closet. Been meaning to ask how is Willow, er..I mean Wilda Beast?
You have just confirmed my concerns regarding Rimadyl. I am also reluctant to use Metacam at this time. Moonbeam’s knee is minimally bothering her and I do have time to try another treatment first.
I really want to get Moonbeam on Glucosamine/Chondroitin supplements (Dasuquin MSM as suggested by Gary & Ashley) before starting Metacam as our Vet has suggested. Maybe he know best, but in my opinion it can not hurt to try the G/C first. It helps me so why not Moonbeam...
Just don't want to give her too much Glucosamine/Chondrioitin since it is already in her food, Canidae Platinum.
Yes, they really thing, from the results of the liver biopsy that she has a liver that did not do well with copper. This has been known for some time with bedowin terriers (can't spell it) and some other breed and they now are thinking that Labradors are also affected with this. It is hereditary and so we will watch Willow very carefully as she is great granddaughter of Koko's mother, but the mother had no problems and I hope it is from the father. This is relatively new, info, but very serious. Our vet is hoping they will have a test soon for the problem so we can know, but we will watch her closely. She will never see rimadyl and will start on Glou/Chron very early in life. I am going to get a list of some food that need to be avoided, too.
Wilda Beast is doing well. She is in classes now and learning fast - still requires constant supervision when out of crate, which is all day, so I am busy!! Thanks for asking. I am sure that the non-NSAIDS will give her some more comfort - it just tales a while to kick in.
Barb
I have read all of the posts and find them interesting. I am a believer of Metacam. Our Bunny, who had a heart condition and thyroid condition before she was diagnosed with kidney failure was on Metacam for the kidney failure, along with her meds for heart and thyroid. I feel we got an addtional 2 years due to this med. In 3/07 she was also diagnosed with a tumor on her bladder and that finally took her life in 10/07 at the age of almost 15. I guess this shows you everyone has different opinions and should look at their own situations to see what is best for them.
Note that glucosamine hydrochloride might be more beneficial for dogs than glucosamine sulfate. Our vet indicated that the hydrochloride provided better results; I think something to do with it being better absorbed by dogs.
Just checked and the Dasuquin MSM does have glucosamine hydrochlorid at 900 mg. Also, I just settled my confusion about giving Moonbeam the G/C tablets along with her dog food. I have just purchased Wilderness dog food for her and it does not contain either the Glucosamine or Condroitin. So worries about her getting too much are now mute.
Keepmotoring: I am confused and in my ever lasting efforts to acquire as much info as possible, I need to ask you the following: It was my understanding that Metacam was for relief of joint pain. Your little bunny was taking it for Kidney failure? Did I understand you correctly? Sorry for the silly question, but I could not help myself!
Do you use both products at the same time? Are they Glucosamine based? The reason I ask is that I checked Moonbeam's dog food "Canadae" and it has 525 mg. Glucosamine HCL and 425 mg. Choindroitin in the ingredients. However, I do not believe that she is eating enough to count on her getting the full benefit. Thinking of giving her the tablets supplements too. Personally, I don’t think that I could give her an “over dose” of these two products. Don’t know?
Sorry it took so long for the post but I haven't been on RV.net in a while...
Anyway, to answer your questions, Dawn. We do use the Dasuquin and Dog Gone Pain (DGP) together. I contacted the manufacturer of DGP and they clearly informed me that there were no adverse reactions together. We give ONE Dasuquin with MSM (small to med size dogs-- under 60 pounds) pill and ONE DGP pill with her breakfast. Then, for dinner, she gets ONE DGP pill. The DGP is all natural and I highly recommend it. I have seen it work wonders for "Buckets". However, we have had to keep her on the loading dose. The manufacturer suggests giving a double dose of the DGP for two weeks to be sure it gets in their system quicker. Then, give only a maintenance dose. When we decreased her DGP, you could clearly see the change. I contacted them and they, again, informed me that it was safe to continue the higher dosage. They recommend the maintenance dose because most dogs do well on it AND it will last twice as long. I wouldn't *think* you could give TOO much Glucosamine HCL Choindroitin to cause an overdose or adverse reactions but I can't say for sure. The best thing to do for that is search the internet, ask your vet, etc.
I also give a Fisol Fish Oil gelcap a day. I know that Fish Oil also helps joint pain. I'm not sure about other brands, but I do know that Fisol has been tested and shown affective in dogs. Not only does the Fish Oil help pain, but it also lowers the *bad* cholesterol in dogs.
I hope this helps and answers your questions.
Gary & Ashley
& Holly (our mini schnauzer)
& Buckets (our Blue Heeler)
Shelbyville, TN
2006 KZ Sportsmen Sportster 37K Triple Slide
2002 GMC Crew Cab 2500HD 8.1 Allison Trans
keepmotoring wrote: I have read all of the posts and find them interesting. I am a believer of Metacam. Our Bunny, who had a heart condition and thyroid condition before she was diagnosed with kidney failure was on Metacam for the kidney failure, along with her meds for heart and thyroid.
You are right-- everyone does have their own opinions BUT facts are facts. And the fact is: All NSAIDs (Non-Steroidal Anti-Inflammatory Drugs) cause kidney and liver failure. This is the same catagory of drugs as the 'oh-so-famous' non-steroid Vioxx that was prescribed not long ago to humans. There are other safe pain meds, if that's what your dog is needing-- Bupernex, Torbutrol, Tramadol to name a few.
But, keepmotoring, I do not *think* your bunny was prescribed Metacam for kidney failure. It's for inflammation and pain.
If your vet suggests any of the following NSAIDs, just politely tell them no thanks and ask for a pain medication listed above. If you MUST have an anti-inflammatory, there is a natural one called Traumeel that can be purchased at your health food or vitamin store. About Traumeel
We also use Traumeel ... for the humans and dog in our family. Works well. For serious inflammation with swelling, Traumeel comes in a gel or cream to rub on the area.
When one of our dogs had bone-cancer, the holistic vet prescribed Traumeel gel to which she added painkiller to help numb the pain and reduce the inflammation around the cancer area.
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