Well, they kinda did. In the Nationwide Series, they've decided to restrict the Toyota engines by decreasing their HP by 15. How do you feel about the NASCAR rules now? Personally, I never wanted any foreign brands in NASCAR, but it's distasteful for them to change the rules in the middle of the season.
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What I don't like is that Chevrolet and Ford set this scenario up by not bringing their new engines to the tracks, while Toyota is working with the newest available equipment. Watch Chevrolet show up with their new equipment now that NASCAR has changed the rules. Sorry, but Toyota employs over 36,000 people in the US and have as much right to be there as the other 3. What's going to happen when Chevrolet pulls out of NASCAR completely, which is looking more likely every day, as they have now cancelled support for 2 Sprint cup races.
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NASCAR has always modified the rules during the season to make for parity between the cars, it is a major reason for the close competition that makes NASCAR so interesting to me. Unlike F-1 where for many years one brand would dominate, they do seem to be trying to follow NASCAR's lead now. Tweeking and untweeking each brand to keep em close is a tough and thankless deal, but they do it pretty well. Stewart is driving the same Toyota as Busch but not with the same results, Tony is definitely a top driver. Skill, luck and performance are the factors for winning. Not all can be under control.
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OzarkPreacher wrote: Don't agree with it. I AM NOT a Busch fan but everybody ought to be able to run what they brung.
There is no pro racing series in the US without strict rules. The Toyota HP adjustment was made because of the JGR #20 Toyota and not Kyle Busch.
CHARLOTTE, N.C. -- Though results of recent dynamometer tests showed greater parity between the Nationwide Series engines of Toyota and those of other manufacturers, NASCAR issued a technical bulletin informing teams of a rule change that will reduce Toyota's horsepower.
"At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing less than 4.470 inches must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.125-inch diameter holes. At all Events, unless otherwise specified, all engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more must compete using a tapered spacer with four (4) 1.100-inch diameter holes. Unless otherwise authorized, the carburetor restrictor will be issued by NASCAR."
-- Amendment to Section 20A -- 5.10.4, Nationwide Series Rule Book
The effect of the change is to limit air flow to the engine, thereby reducing horsepower, by narrowing the diameters of holes in the tapered spacer NASCAR introduced into the series this year. Installed at the intake of an engine, the spacer functions as a restrictor plate. The smaller the holes in the spacer, the lower the horsepower.
Specifically, the rule change requires engines with a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more to run a tapered spacer with four holes measuring 1.100 inches each in diameter, compared with the 1.125-inch holes previously required. Toyota engines currently are the only ones in use in the Nationwide Series that feature a cylinder bore spacing of 4.470 inches or more.
NASCAR's intent with the rule change is to balance competition. Toyota has won 14 of 21 Nationwide races this season, with cars fielded by Joe Gibbs Racing accounting for 13 victories. The No. 20 JGR Camry has won nine times, with four different drivers behind the wheel.
skipbee wrote: NASCAR has always modified the rules during the season to make for parity between the cars, it is a major reason for the close competition that makes NASCAR so interesting to me. Unlike F-1 where for many years one brand would dominate, they do seem to be trying to follow NASCAR's lead now. Tweeking and untweeking each brand to keep em close is a tough and thankless deal, but they do it pretty well. Stewart is driving the same Toyota as Busch but not with the same results, Tony is definitely a top driver. Skill, luck and performance are the factors for winning. Not all can be under control.
I see it a bit differently. IMO there is only one good example of Tony and Busch "driving the same Toyota", and that's when they have alternated the driving of the #20 in the Nationwide Series (the very same car, managed by the very same crewchief). And, all drivers who drive THAT particular car have won. On the other hand, Tony Stewart is handicapped whenever he drives the Home Depot #20 in the Cup Series. The handicap is his crewchief (Zippy). I hope he can take Rogers with him, when he goes over to Haas (next year).
Today, Toyota is no more foreign that GM-Ford or Chrysler, get over it. I predicted 60 days ago that GM would leave Nascar in the near future because of mounting losses. Some posters treated that as if I had spit on the flag.
Now we are making excuses for Stewart because Zippy is a bad crew chief? He is so bad that Stewart would love to take him with him to his new team and if he left Gibbs, every other team in the garage would be lining up to hire him. That is the reason Gibbs just signed him to a long term contract.
It gets old when evryone wants to blame all Jr's and Tony's problems on teams and crew chiefs. It happens every time a post is made about Nascar.
That's something I had not considered.I think Zippadelli was his crew chief during his championship wins. Jeff Gordon's results have certainly changed since Dodge took his crew chief. Also his pit crew was hired away after his last championship. He has not won one since.
I remember when Dale Earnhart Sr. first came on scene, he generated the same responses from fans and the same results on the track as Kyle Busch. I think that NASCAR is becoming more and more a young mans
sport, thousands of a second differences require ultra quick reflexes.
Quickness trumps experience more than ever before. There is still alot of fighting for fifth that keeps drivers in the points, that was what Earnhart Sr. was so opposed to. Those who go for the win, at all costs, put on the best show.I think Rowdy Busch puts on a pretty good show. I've been a fan since 1954. Bump and Run is an old NASCAR tradition, providing it's not your guy gettin bumped.
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The Texan wrote: What I don't like is that Chevrolet and Ford set this scenario up by not bringing their new engines to the tracks, while Toyota is working with the newest available equipment. Watch Chevrolet show up with their new equipment now that NASCAR has changed the rules. Sorry, but Toyota employs over 36,000 people in the US and have as much right to be there as the other 3. What's going to happen when Chevrolet pulls out of NASCAR completely, which is looking more likely every day, as they have now cancelled support for 2 Sprint cup races.
The last I heard is chevrolet does have a new engine, but nascar won't let them use it. I think they should be running the cars that we drive and buy everyday. If the biggest engine optioned is a V6 then they race with it. If it's FWD then that's what you run. I don't think this has been stock car racing far a while. But that's just my opinion.
Back in the fifties they were running convertables, just about anything that would go. Wearing short sleeve shirts, helmets were optional, seat belts were not mandated. Fires, injuries and many deaths occured, this today, is much better. The engines runnnig today are 70's technology, the frames are the highest tech racing frames that they know how to construct. All safety features are now mandated. Dale Sr. would still be alive if that was in place before his accident. NASCAR has evolved, as an entertainment phenomenon like no other, it has surpassed baseball and is nipping at the heels of football. They must be doing something right. I sure enjoy it. And I enjoy everyones enthusiasm for the various drivers and cars.NASCAR has to balance cost to compete,safety, parity and showmanship. I think they do a great, if not perfect,job. Boogity,boogity,boogity. He's as good in the booth as he was on the track!
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