Where as Detroit has a few in the city. Plus we've gotten assists from a couple of radio station birds back in my day.
I do have to admit that it was fun dispatching a chase when the air unit got into the area
We even had a television news crew assist us once.. WITH CAMERAS ROLLING, I got to see both the broadcast and the "Raw footage" version of the chase.. Kind of interesting.. IDIOT on a stolen harley thought he could ram police cars.. First one he hit at near walking speed.. Got away with it.. Second one at about 45mph, not so lucky. OH, he lived (So did the trooper) but he was hurtin' for certin.
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dave54 wrote: No matter how fast the car they can't outrun a radio. And once the helicopter or airplane gets there the ground units all slow down and let the bears in the air follow the vehicle and radio ahead for the roadblock.
When is the last time a high speed chase actually resulted in an escape? No one around here can remember any.
Watched a few minutes of one in LA a couple of weeks ago. Two young guys in a bright red Malibu wanted for residential burglerly. Once they started driving erratic, the cars backed off and let the police and nes helicopters take over.
They were driving crazy down the freeways with no police cars in pursuit. How they thought they could outrun the helicopters, I have no idea. Both got caught when they dumped the car in a residential neighborhood.
In Las Vegas, the decision to break off a chase is made by the shift sergeants from what I have read and I hear on the radio. It makes sense to call off a chase in some cases unless it is a KNOWN felon. Even in case when I have heard the chase stopped, the person running continues to run while a heli watched. It isn't the fault of the police that causes the person to run. It is the person's own choice to run that causes all the problems and any subsequent injuries. Put the blame for a chase where it belongs, to the runner!
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tonkatoys wrote: after retiring as a LEO after 34 years from a larger city we had protocol about involved police chases. for stolen veh.s, traffic violations and other minor offenses chases around city streets or residential areas were broken off by dispatch or myself being the shift capt. for fear of injury to civilians as well as officers. this was also done as per the county prosecuters guidelines.
i watch these police shows on tru tv and other stations that show real police chases and their outcomes as from the dash cams of the R&P cars. my question is how are many of these chases allowed in most states and are there no consequences or guidelines in different states? was watching one to where suspects car which was PRESUMED stolen was traveling at 140 MPH with a police R&P with a 5.0 right behind it. this took place on 2 lane highways with other traffic, in residential streets and in busness districts in and out of parking lots of stores with pedestrians around. all for a possible stolen car. i watch many similar chases and some for even lesser offenses. i am from the n.e area of the country, do other LEO's out there have free reign in their county or state to chase at will with no guidelines to adhere to? just wondering how it is around other parts of the country when it comes to these chases.
I am a firm believer of the theory that, "If you don't chase them they will run." When I first started as a cop we almost never got into chases. But when we did get one, we would chase the crook into the ground and do everything possible to catch them. Back in those days it was more common for the crook to only go a few blocks in the car and then jump out on foot and run. They knew they could beat us easier on foot than they could in the car.
Now we have all the restrictions on chases and they are pretty much banned. So what do the crooks do? You know what they do, they run. They run we don't chase, and guess what, they still run into innocent motorist and kill them. In my humble opinion, the current rules have made things a lot more dangerous to the public than it was back in the day when we would chase almost anybody who ran.
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Our department allows pursuits for felonies and some misdemeanors with close supervision from a non-involved supervisor. We only allow two vehicles in a pursuit unless other circumstances warrant otherwise such as multiple armed subjects. The initiating officer is given the discretion to continue the pursuit and we teach them how to continually way out the need for apprehension vs the danger to themselves and others. Being involved in a pursuit is a huge and stressful responsibility and the officers must evaluate their ever changing environment constantly. Even though the pursuit may be justified, in Indiana it still does not relieve the officer from operating with due regard for the safety of others. If a crash occurs and it is found the officer was not operating with due regard then he could be held liable in a civil action. However, if the officer was still operating within the existing pursuit policy of the department, the liability would shift to the department and not the officer. A lot of the time it comes down to training. A pursuit is a use of force and officers must be trained in it just like firearms and defensive tactics. To not do so, opens the department up to huge liability.
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When I first started, we could chase for pretty much anything. The shift commander would call it if he felt it was too dangerous for the conditions. The standing rule on my shift was that we were not allowed to pursue out of state. Now pursuits are only allowed for forceable felonies for the most part.
The problem is far too many people who have suffered a loss due to a high speed chase, even if it was the jerk that slammed into their property, have sued the police for causing the dangerous conditions that caused them loss.
NOTE: The police did not cause the fleeing felon to become a felon, that was HIS choice and HE should be held liable for every penny of damage plus penalty and interest far as I'm concerned. The police are trying to put a STOP to his felony.
But if you got joe scuzebag, who has a $500.00 a day habbit and not $0.50 to his name, You can't very well get blood out of his turnip. (and would not want it if you could being as it's "Dirty" blood)
So they sue the cops cause the city has deep pockets
This is wrong.. You don't attack those who are protecting you, You support them.
Worst case I've seen........ Two people on a cycle running from cops.. The passenger sued the department for causing her injuries. (OH, she lost but it still cost the state a bunch of money in legal fees and lost time for the troopers who did, in fact, catch her boyfriend)
I strongly believe that if anyone fails to stop when a marked car attempts to pull them over should be considered armed and dangerous, and "Deadly Force" should be initiated. Once you run, you give up all expectations to all three of the rights. LIFE, LIBERTY, AND THE PURSUIT OF HAPPINESS.
Now then, if an unmarked car should attempt to stop you in a secluded area, you should be able to continue to an area you feel is safe at a slow speed with 4-way hazard lights flashing.
Other than that, a small missile into the fuel tank should be standard policy.
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