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Vancamper, I have to disagree somewhat. If it were not for the unions todays American and yes Canadian workers would also be making 5 dollars a day. It costs very little to share designs across multiple product lines. The big problem if you are old enough to remember back a few years, all of the big three were buying out workers and paying them big bucks to retire early including grossly over inflated health insurance costs. Well, that short sightedness has finally come home to bight them in their corporate hinies. Couple that with their greed for bigger and bigger vehicles yielding hugh profits and you have a big problem. The American economy has run on oil and the automobile for nearly 100 years now and no one will be able to change things for a long time to come.
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Nomadac wrote:turninghawk wrote:Since GM lost 15.5B last quarter and ExxonMobil showed a profit of over 11B last quarter, maybe if they merged it would be a wash and everybody's happy, no?........ 
No.
I believe that Exon's Mgmt. is smarter at making a profit then GM. Plus I worked at GM for 20 years and their failure now is a result of their promoting people beyond their capability.
Speculators and hedgefunders are making Exons profits larger at our expense. Sorry you didn't get that promotion during your 20 years.
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I'd like to know where these $5.00 per Day workers Building Cars Live. I Could use a few dozen!
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donn0128 wrote:Vancamper, I have to disagree somewhat. If it were not for the unions todays American and yes Canadian workers would also be making 5 dollars a day.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong....but: Toyota is not a union auto maker, they have no problem finding labor and pay good wages. They have a very high rating of reliability. They aren't in financial trouble.
The Big 3 auto makers are union shops, paying probably way too much for menial tasks and are all in trouble.
I took the Corvette factory tour about 3 years ago and was shocked at the laid back attitude of the assembly line workers....sitting around and every now and then getting up, putting down a doughnut and adding a part to the moving assembly line. A trained chimp could do 90% of their tasks and the assembly line would move at five times the speed.
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turninghawk wrote:Since GM lost 15.5B last quarter and ExxonMobil showed a profit of over 11B last quarter, maybe if they merged it would be a wash and everybody's happy, no?........ That's wacky. I don't know of any company stupid enough to want them and all their self-created problems. It's easier and more fun just watching them crash every day. LOL!
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donn0128 wrote:Vancamper, I have to disagree somewhat. If it were not for the unions todays American and yes Canadian workers would also be making 5 dollars a day. It costs very little to share designs across multiple product lines. The big problem if you are old enough to remember back a few years, all of the big three were buying out workers and paying them big bucks to retire early including grossly over inflated health insurance costs. Well, that short sightedness has finally come home to bight them in their corporate hinies. Couple that with their greed for bigger and bigger vehicles yielding hugh profits and you have a big problem. The American economy has run on oil and the automobile for nearly 100 years now and no one will be able to change things for a long time to come.
I agree that if it weren't for unions, there wouldn't be any work health and safety standards anywhere. If you looked back at all the collective bargaining negotiations, the Big 3 would always say they didn't have enough to increase wages but in the end they did and still made profit. But then the cost of oil made a steep increase and their cash cow lost it's appeal.
The reason why wages in NA in the automotive industry is so high is because they were able to pay that wage because of the profits they were getting for the SUV/Trucks and also less competition at that level of quality back then.
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GM sold their soul to the devil when they killed off the EV1, and now the devil is making them pay dearly. They'd like to have that car now to sell. Don't think folks would buy it now? On Ebay, used RAV4-EVs about 8 years old with 100K miles are going for over $85,000. I think they could sell the EV1 now. Not everyone will buy one, but alot would.
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hershey wrote:donn0128 wrote:Vancamper, I have to disagree somewhat. If it were not for the unions todays American and yes Canadian workers would also be making 5 dollars a day.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong....but: Toyota is not a union auto maker, they have no problem finding labor and pay good wages. They have a very high rating of reliability. They aren't in financial trouble.
The Big 3 auto makers are union shops, paying probably way too much for menial tasks and are all in trouble.
I took the Corvette factory tour about 3 years ago and was shocked at the laid back attitude of the assembly line workers....sitting around and every now and then getting up, putting down a doughnut and adding a part to the moving assembly line. A trained chimp could do 90% of their tasks and the assembly line would move at five times the speed.
There's no doubt the UAW secured some pretty fat contracts for the rank and file: contracts that add a quite a bit to the price of the cars. However, the fat cats upstairs agreed to those contracts, and voted themselves even bigger pay and perks to compensate for the fact the hourly workers were actually making a living wage.
Both Management and the unions are going to have to go back to square one and realize that it is no longer 1947. Both are going to have to give quite a bit it the company is going to survive. Pity the blue collar worker who loses big time when the plant closes for good, but where does the money come from to bonus out and golden parachute the big dogs?
Toyota has a completely different view of it's employees: they're not the enemy. Toyota (and many others) have a total team concept that is utterly lacking at the former "Big Three". In the US plants, the line worker is to be distrusted and despised.
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hershey wrote:donn0128 wrote:Vancamper, I have to disagree somewhat. If it were not for the unions todays American and yes Canadian workers would also be making 5 dollars a day.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong....but: Toyota is not a union auto maker, they have no problem finding labor and pay good wages. They have a very high rating of reliability. They aren't in financial trouble.
The Big 3 auto makers are union shops, paying probably way too much for menial tasks and are all in trouble.
I took the Corvette factory tour about 3 years ago and was shocked at the laid back attitude of the assembly line workers....sitting around and every now and then getting up, putting down a doughnut and adding a part to the moving assembly line. A trained chimp could do 90% of their tasks and the assembly line would move at five times the speed.
That is the most bull I've read in 3 days. How about telling us how you really feel about meanial assembly line workers.
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