wfr1 wrote: What ever you do, don't us the VIP 722 DVR to travel with. Ours caused us no end of grief due to the dual tuners and the multiplicity of settings you had to juggle. We even had to buy a 3rd remote as we left the correct one (the one for use with coax only cables) at home. We wanted to watch what we had recorded earlier but this turned out to be more trouble than it was worth.
Bill
Nothing wrong with any of the Dish VIP recievers for traveling. I used a 722 for awhile then replaced it with a 612. They must be setup and used in a different mannor than at home. Have to chalk that one to possible operator error.
I'm using a 612 now, and am planning on swapping it out for the 722 in the living room. (I could use the second TV output in the MH, don't need it in the house.)
I did have issues with the dual tuner in the MH, when using it with my roof mounted dome. This is because I only have a single cable coming from the dome, so only one tuner gets an input. It makes recording a show difficult, since it wants to try to use tuner 2, and there is nothing connected to it.
But I've given up on the dome, and am now using an external ground mounted dish. Being a Dish Pro Plus LNB on it, I can use a single cable into the MH, and then the separator, and it allows me to use both tuners. My frustrations are over, it works fine.
While I can attest that it is no problem with the correct equipment and setup, I can also attest that it can be a real bear and an exercise in frustration if you can only connect one of the two tuners.
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wfr1 wrote: What ever you do, don't us the VIP 722 DVR to travel with. Ours caused us no end of grief due to the dual tuners and the multiplicity of settings you had to juggle. We even had to buy a 3rd remote as we left the correct one (the one for use with coax only cables) at home. We wanted to watch what we had recorded earlier but this turned out to be more trouble than it was worth.
Bill
What every you do don't listen to this advice. I have no idea what multiplicity of settings he's talking about. But i travel with either my 722 or 222(722 if we're going to be in one place and the 222 if we're bouncing from place to place). Both have dual tuners , both are HDand both are easy to set up. After aiming the dish for the Living room tv, the bedroom tv is automatic.
I have the Dish 1000 and get 110,119 and 129 for my HD..
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Dish TV Technical support will be the first people to "suggest" that the dual tuner receivers are not the "best" choice. We have done it both ways and the hassles are not worth it. Best wishes to those up to the technical challenges of doing so. I am a retired network tech, and consider myself at least marginally competent. This is what happened to us: Our troubles began when we connected with only coax cables. Supposedly the composite and HDMI cables do not have these issues. If my now distant memories serve me correctly, the coax cable requires that you have use the UFH remote to control the box. Then (it took 3 different techs to find this out) the remote needed a specific green shaped chip inserted (yes they are removable and all (6 or 7 of them) are different). ). Of course we now have 3 remotes and had to wait a spell while they sent us the new remote for an additional $30. And then there were the calls and trips through the sub menus to set this up. And then there were the issues with old recording instructions for channels on tuner 1 that were set to channels available only in our home area. And then there were the tuning issues with the satellites. This was the final bugabo. . We could be aimed exactly and there would be little signal. The receiver had to be tweaked and then it would have great reception. No changes to the satellite antenna. We could not touch the antenna and it would drop the signal till that dammed setting was restored. It had to do with the dual tuners and switching back and forth. And it was not obvious, being down in some sub menu. It took us over a month (and a lot of frustration) to figure this out.
And going through most of this every time we moved was just too much. The last and final straw was having to reconnect the nightmare tangle of wires back up when we got home. The DVR, the DVD, the surround sound amp, the vcr, the 6 different speaker cables, the HDMI cable to just the plasma etc. Fortunately I had taken digital photos and labeled most of the cables. But even then it was a major hassle pulling out the boxes to reconnect them. UGH!!! Next time a single tuner HD receiver, and HDLCD, and HDMI cables!!!
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How long ago are you talking about? It seems you are relating an experience from years ago.
wfr1 wrote: Dish TV Technical support will be the first people to "suggest" that the dual tuner receivers are not the "best" choice.
Dish dual tuner and DVRs are considered the best in the business and have won many awards. My installers bragged about how good the tuners were.
Quote: We have done it both ways and the hassles are not worth it. Best wishes to those up to the technical challenges of doing so. I am a retired network tech, and consider myself at least marginally competent.
No real technical challenge at all. Point and click.
Quote: This is what happened to us: Our troubles began when we connected with only coax cables. Supposedly the composite and HDMI cables do not have these issues. If my now distant memories serve me correctly, the coax cable requires that you have use the UFH remote to control the box. Then (it took 3 different techs to find this out) the remote needed a specific green shaped chip inserted (yes they are removable and all (6 or 7 of them) are different). ). Of course we now have 3 remotes and had to wait a spell while they sent us the new remote for an additional $30. And then there were the calls and trips through the sub menus to set this up. And then there were the issues with old recording instructions for channels on tuner 1 that were set to channels available only in our home area.
In the RV I have one TV on HDMI and one on coax. I originally had both on Coax until I got a HDMI cable long enough. Always used the IR remote which comes with the receiver which should be married to your receiver upon initial setup. Dragging your box to the RV shouldn't require any reprogramming of the remote. If you do, all you have to do is to go to the system info screen and press record. This will marry your remote to the receiver. VERY easy.
Quote: And then there were the tuning issues with the satellites. This was the final bugabo. . We could be aimed exactly and there would be little signal. The receiver had to be tweaked and then it would have great reception. No changes to the satellite antenna. We could not touch the antenna and it would drop the signal till that dammed setting was restored. It had to do with the dual tuners and switching back and forth. And it was not obvious, being down in some sub menu. It took us over a month (and a lot of frustration) to figure this out.
Tweaked? Or check switch run? The tuners don't switch back and forth they both run at the same time or are you talking about shared view. Which would be coming from a setup where 2 TV share the same Picture , going to 2 TVs going to different channels. Very simple menu select and very detailed instructions on Dish's site. Again a simple menu select.
Quote: And going through most of this every time we moved was just too much.
Unless you are changing your setting drastically from your house , you should only be going into the menu to aim the dish. No remote changes, no shared view changes.
Quote: The last and final straw was having to reconnect the nightmare tangle of wires back up when we got home. The DVR, the DVD, the surround sound amp, the vcr, the 6 different speaker cables, the HDMI cable to just the plasma etc. Fortunately I had taken digital photos and labeled most of the cables. But even then it was a major hassle pulling out the boxes to reconnect them. UGH!!! Next time a single tuner HD receiver, and HDLCD, and HDMI cables!!!
Bill
This is just a pure exaggeration unless you're moving your entire surround sound system.
Tangle of wires to move a sat box? I have one cable, one ethernet and one power cord to disconnect. Then to hook up in the RV one power cord and one HDMI. VERY SIMPLE. My home theater set up is more complicated then most (with apple TV, ethernets, game consoles and such) and pulling out my sat receiver is very easy.
Hooking up your Sat receiver has nothing to do with the DVD, vcr and speaker wires. In fact there are no speaker wire connections on the receivers, nor do I touch any speaker connections on my home surround sound system or my RV surround sound system. Don't embellish to dissuade people from doing something that is very simple.
Having to pull only receiver out of the house for our 2 rv tvs is a joy compared to pulling 2 directv boxes. The dish sat dish is was also a joy. Considering it has the LNBs in the Dish I only needed one splitter to install in the RV to get TV in 2 rooms.
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And they are great receivers, as long as NOTHING gets changed in the default core setup. Changing the core defaults opens a whole complex series of choices that it is best to avoid. A simple point and click box they may appear to be, but if someone thinks a receiver that can juggle 3 satellites and two remotes across a continent is simple, I have a bridge I will sell cheap...
wfr1 wrote: but if someone thinks a receiver that can juggle 3 satellites and two remotes across a continent is simple, I have a bridge I will sell cheap...
Maybe not for you, but for many others it's very simple. I'm up and running on 2 tvs with HD in less then 15 minutes.
I've been all over my core settings. No problems at all. Dish had 100's of thousands of installs juggling 3 sats and 2 remotes without problems.
People can get Dish 500 or Dish 1000 on ebay pretty cheap. I went with the Dish 1000 because it's the latest greatest, I wanted HD and no reason to buy older technology when you can get the newer stuff.
If the OP wants to save a few bucks then they can get a Dish 500 and no HD. If he's paying for HD and at the rate the HD channels are increasing it makes sense to go for the Dish 1000.
People can get Dish 500 or Dish 1000 on ebay pretty cheap. I went with the Dish 1000 because it's the latest greatest, I wanted HD and no reason to buy older technology when you can get the newer stuff.
Personally I'm not a big EBay fan and I don't know the prices they are going for on EBay. But you can get one from Solid Signal - Dish 1000.2 Antenna for $89.99.
People can get Dish 500 or Dish 1000 on ebay pretty cheap. I went with the Dish 1000 because it's the latest greatest, I wanted HD and no reason to buy older technology when you can get the newer stuff.
Personally I'm not a big EBay fan and I don't know the prices they are going for on EBay. But you can get one from Solid Signal - Dish 1000.2 Antenna for $89.99.
Lots of these same companies sell on ebay.
You're looking at $80 for a Dish 1000.2 shipping included.
You're source you're looking at approx. $106 shipping included.
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