jerb wrote: for the record javaseuf, newer propane bottles do have a flow control on them, I have seen them trip many a time hooking on to a regular hose!
Always wanting to keep up with developments as well as to be sure my info that I provide is accurate, I called Manchester Tank this morning. (They also manufacture the recovery tanks I sell for refrigerant.)
The tech dept. told me that their RV tanks DO NOT have an excessive flow device in them and that this safety device is located in the attached hose, just as I had previously stated.
HOWEVER, I did find a Canadian manufacturer (HERE) that does incorporate a "flow limiting device" into their propane BBQ system and called them and was informed that the excessive flow device in their system is located in the regulator.
If you remove a propane hose from your tank, you can see the flow limiting valve in the Acme fitting that screws into the tank.
The reason that I can see that a restrictor wouldn't work on the tank is because some tanks are used without regulators and need to provide massive flow to the accessory. A good example of this is the Coleman "tree" that I screw into my tank that doesn't use a regulator. It provides high pressure to my BBQ, camp-stove and lantern all at the same time.3
I also have a turkey fryer with a 50,000btu burner. I can turn on this device full blast and I have never had issues with flow.
Just my experience and I am sure other's have had different experiences.
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Had this problem,the regulator will sence high pressure and shut off. Just turn the tank valve on slow, and all should work fine. This came from mfg.webber, we have the baby Q and 5 lb tank.
jerb wrote: for the record javaseuf, newer propane bottles do have a flow control on them, I have seen them trip many a time hooking on to a regular hose!
Always wanting to keep up with developments as well as to be sure my info that I provide is accurate, I called Manchester Tank this morning. (They also manufacture the recovery tanks I sell for refrigerant.)
The tech dept. told me that their RV tanks DO NOT have an excessive flow device in them and that this safety device is located in the attached hose, just as I had previously stated.
HOWEVER, I did find a Canadian manufacturer (HERE) that does incorporate a "flow limiting device" into their propane BBQ system and called them and was informed that the excessive flow device in their system is located in the regulator.
If you remove a propane hose from your tank, you can see the flow limiting valve in the Acme fitting that screws into the tank.
The reason that I can see that a restrictor wouldn't work on the tank is because some tanks are used without regulators and need to provide massive flow to the accessory. A good example of this is the Coleman "tree" that I screw into my tank that doesn't use a regulator. It provides high pressure to my BBQ, camp-stove and lantern all at the same time.3
I also have a turkey fryer with a 50,000btu burner. I can turn on this device full blast and I have never had issues with flow.
Just my experience and I am sure other's have had different experiences.
Again,
The OP and others are talking about a 20lb portable tank not the chasis tank. The portable tanks definitely have an excessive flow device installed. You will not be able to get one filled otherwisem its illegal.
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We had same experience with a Weber Q grill using a 20# propane tank. Spoke to Weber and was told to ssslllooowwwllyy turn on the valve for 2-3 minutes. I didn't read that one in the manual. Tried that way a few times but it didn't always work. Now I turn the valve on (not slowly) 15 or so minutes before I light it and have had no problems.
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Again,
The OP and others are talking about a 20lb portable tank not the chasis tank. The portable tanks definitely have an excessive flow device installed. You will not be able to get one filled otherwisem its illegal.
I believe the requirement you are referring to is the requirement for the OPD (see http://www.propane101.com/opdcylindervalves.htm) and not a "excessive flow device". I do not believe that there is any requirement for a "excessive flow device".
And yes, I understand that we are talking about the portable tank (cylinder) and not the chassis tank. But some (in other threads) have had the problem the OP talked about with the chassis tank also. And I believe that the problem lays with some fact that some propane supply hoses are equiped with "excessive flow devices" and some are not, or the fact that one needs to purge the hose and grill of the air in it before the grill will light. It is like purgeing the lines in your motorhome before the range, refrigerator, furnace, and hot water heater will light.
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jerb wrote: for the record javaseuf, newer propane bottles do have a flow control on them, I have seen them trip many a time hooking on to a regular hose!
Always wanting to keep up with developments as well as to be sure my info that I provide is accurate, I called Manchester Tank this morning. (They also manufacture the recovery tanks I sell for refrigerant.)
The tech dept. told me that their RV tanks DO NOT have an excessive flow device in them and that this safety device is located in the attached hose, just as I had previously stated.
HOWEVER, I did find a Canadian manufacturer (HERE) that does incorporate a "flow limiting device" into their propane BBQ system and called them and was informed that the excessive flow device in their system is located in the regulator.
If you remove a propane hose from your tank, you can see the flow limiting valve in the Acme fitting that screws into the tank.
The reason that I can see that a restrictor wouldn't work on the tank is because some tanks are used without regulators and need to provide massive flow to the accessory. A good example of this is the Coleman "tree" that I screw into my tank that doesn't use a regulator. It provides high pressure to my BBQ, camp-stove and lantern all at the same time.3
I also have a turkey fryer with a 50,000btu burner. I can turn on this device full blast and I have never had issues with flow.
Just my experience and I am sure other's have had different experiences.
Again,
The OP and others are talking about a 20lb portable tank not the chasis tank. The portable tanks definitely have an excessive flow device installed. You will not be able to get one filled otherwisem its illegal.
AGAIN, I know we are talking about the portable tanks and sorry, but you are incorrect with your above statement and haven't been understanding what we have talking about.
All of my statements were and are about the small tanks and not the chassis mounted tanks.
I am very familiar with the portable LPG tanks and their requirements.
The current portable tanks have been required by law for at least 5 years, to have a OPD (overfill protection device) and NOT an excessive flow device. They are two different things.
The required OPD keeps the tank from being overfilled. The excessive flow device reduces excessive flow should a hose burst or a leak occur.
I was stating that the excessive flow device is contained in the Acme fitting/hose assembly and NOT the tank which is an accurate statement.
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I've had the Weber Baby Q for a couple of years. Never could get the flame to adjust higher on the 5 lbs tank using the Weber hose. Tried opening the valve slowly, etc.
I may be wrong in my hypothesis, but since the Weber Baby Q is designed to be used with the small, throwaway high-pressure tanks, I have purchased an adapter from Camping World that I hope will do the trick.
After all, the objective is to use a high-pressure appliance off of a low-pressure, 5 lbs tank, no? So, to me, it would make sense to get the LP to come out of the 5 lbs tank in a fashion the grill was designed to be fed LP.
I ordered it today, and paid for the 3 day shipping. I'll post my results later in the week.
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well javaseuf, i did some checking and sure enough, most of the thread on couplers have the flow restriction on the coupling and not the tank, learn something every day, they can be a pain if your hooked to something that requires a good amount of flow, but have figured out if you turn them on very slow they will not trip, but not allways, you will here a click if they snap shut, thanks for the info!
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