I would do an extensive background search on SouthWest Research Center. I mean those quack medicine promoters always have a study done by, the "Intergalactic topmost Research Center for Study of Colon Cleansers".
is SouthWest Research Center legit would be my first question.
just googled SouthWest Research Center and came up with a bunch of different ones. Texas, NM, Mo, etc.
and it would be interesting to investigate the parameters of their study/ies. how much energy did they put in and how much extra out?
bumpy
I belong to no less than 8 automotive forums that I visit with regularity (I know, I am a nerd). Anyway....not ONE single person who is a regular trusted member of any of the forums has gotten results anywhere near the claims of 25-50% mpg improvement. The claims of people getting 38 mpg in their 460 V8 Ford truck are out there, but these are simply LIES that someone made up. I challenge anyone to find a respected member of what-ever forum they belong, to claim these systems are anything more than snake-oil (based on their own installation in their own personal vehicle).
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mowermech wrote: Yessir, me too, I'll wait and see.
As for the car companies jumping on new technology, how long were 4 wheel disc brakes in use in other countries before U.S. manufacturers started making them standard equipment? Going back much further, how about hydraulic brakes? Overhead valve engines? V configuration engines? H engines? The history of the automobile is loaded with examples of the U.S. automakers being the last in the world to embrace new technology!........snip
OK, if US manufacturers are so slow to adopt new stuff, show me a NON-US car company that offers this technology!
(And IMHO if they were selling in the US, with proven economy gains, they would be cleaning up right now).
I await with interest.
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mowermech wrote: Yessir, me too, I'll wait and see.
As for the car companies jumping on new technology, how long were 4 wheel disc brakes in use in other countries before U.S. manufacturers started making them standard equipment? Going back much further, how about hydraulic brakes? Overhead valve engines? V configuration engines? H engines? The history of the automobile is loaded with examples of the U.S. automakers being the last in the world to embrace new technology!........snip
OK, if US manufacturers are so slow to adopt new stuff, show me a NON-US car company that offers this technology!
(And IMHO if they were selling in the US, with proven economy gains, they would be cleaning up right now).
I await with interest.
Spin it anyway you want to, I will still wait and see. Please note that I am NOT saying it works, I am merely saying that I refuse to say it doesn't work. I also refuse to say it works, because I haven't tried it. That is also the reason I won't say it doesn't work, I haven't tried it. I am not going to try it, either. I'll wait for somebody else to do that. When it is proven, I'll think about buying it. Until then, I wait.
I just found a quote attributed to Frank Loyd Wright; "An expert is a man who has stopped thinking...He KNOWS!"
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mowermech wrote: Yessir, me too, I'll wait and see.
As for the car companies jumping on new technology, how long were 4 wheel disc brakes in use in other countries before U.S. manufacturers started making them standard equipment? Going back much further, how about hydraulic brakes? Overhead valve engines? V configuration engines? H engines? The history of the automobile is loaded with examples of the U.S. automakers being the last in the world to embrace new technology!........snip
OK, if US manufacturers are so slow to adopt new stuff, show me a NON-US car company that offers this technology!
(And IMHO if they were selling in the US, with proven economy gains, they would be cleaning up right now).
I await with interest.
a good point, not so much us VS them but there are lots of companies around the globe that could use this, and as a bonus not have to meet US restrictions/etc. why haven't they?
bumpy
mowermech wrote: Yessir, me too, I'll wait and see.
As for the car companies jumping on new technology, how long were 4 wheel disc brakes in use in other countries before U.S. manufacturers started making them standard equipment? Going back much further, how about hydraulic brakes? Overhead valve engines? V configuration engines? H engines? The history of the automobile is loaded with examples of the U.S. automakers being the last in the world to embrace new technology!........snip
OK, if US manufacturers are so slow to adopt new stuff, show me a NON-US car company that offers this technology!
(And IMHO if they were selling in the US, with proven economy gains, they would be cleaning up right now).
I await with interest.
a good point, not so much us VS them but there are lots of companies around the globe that could use this, and as a bonus not have to meet US restrictions/etc. why haven't they?
bumpy
Yep, good point. I don't have an answer. Anybody?
I still won't say it is impossible. I don't know.
I still won't say it is possible. I don't know.
I guess I am just not an "expert".
I'll wait.
I spoke to a diesel tech. at Worthington Ford today. He indicated that ANY CHANGE in intake or exhaust system is an automatic void of Ford warranty. roger
mowermech wrote: Spin it anyway you want to, I will still wait and see. Please note that I am NOT saying it works, I am merely saying that I refuse to say it doesn't work. I also refuse to say it works, because I haven't tried it. That is also the reason I won't say it doesn't work, I haven't tried it. I am not going to try it, either. I'll wait for somebody else to do that. When it is proven, I'll think about buying it. Until then, I wait.
I just found a quote attributed to Frank Loyd Wright; "An expert is a man who has stopped thinking...He KNOWS!"
Hey Mowermech, if you look at previous posts I have made on this, while as an engineer I have my doubts about it, I have always been 100% receptive to an official report from an accredited test lab to prove me wrong.
Haven't seen one yet!!
roger5438 wrote: I spoke to a diesel tech. at Worthington Ford today. He indicated that ANY CHANGE in intake or exhaust system is an automatic void of Ford warranty. roger
Ask your diesel tech for his interpretation of the Moss-Magnusson act. The mods have to have caused the failure, a blanket "it voids your warranty" will not fly.
roger5438 wrote: I spoke to a diesel tech. at Worthington Ford today. He indicated that ANY CHANGE in intake or exhaust system is an automatic void of Ford warranty. roger
Ask your diesel tech for his interpretation of the Moss-Magnusson act. The mods have to have caused the failure, a blanket "it voids your warranty" will not fly.
I agree with KDJ. It seems as if all the dealer rep's are trained to tell you any alteration to any part of the vehicle will void warranty. The modification has to be the cause of whatever the failure was that is to be covered under warranty. The manufacturers are scaring everyone with this******and hoping nobody will take them to court when a warranty is voided. (How is flowing more, cooler air or having an exhaust that flows better going to cause an engine to fail?)
Keep in mind that there are some really good dealers out there that still have a little bit of common sense and will treat a guy fairly. I guess I am lucky to have such a dealer.
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