fishdmax
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Dee talked to a friend in Tucson today, she has sold her RV park near Alamos and it will NOT be open next season.
Too bad, great park.
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crandle
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From their ad. This is quite a loss and will put a lot of pressure on the remaining parks.
El Caracol RV Park
Located at km 37 on the Navojoa - Alamos highway at the foot of the Naracharamba Mountain.
104 large pull through, full-service RV sites with mountain spring water on 3,000 acres. Pool, bird sanctuary. Bus to town at the gate.
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we_rv
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crandle wrote:From their ad. This is quite a loss and will put a lot of pressure on the remaining parks.
El Caracol RV Park
Located at km 37 on the Navojoa - Alamos highway at the foot of the Naracharamba Mountain.
104 large pull through, full-service RV sites with mountain spring water on 3,000 acres. Pool, bird sanctuary. Bus to town at the gate.
It was an amazing park in a great setting, but two years ago it was empty except for us. It had been allowed to run down, and the sites were riddled with tarantula holes and fire ant mounds. I am surprised to hear its loss will put pressure on the other parks. We were there in prime time and nothing was full. Did we miss something?
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qtla9111
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So what is the plan for this rv park, condominiums? I have received more emails from real esate agents in Baja than you can shake a stick at. Even on cable here they recently did a show in English on condos in Mazatalan. Somebody has money, and it is coming from the U.S. Just last year people were buying condos in Maz for 170K, now I am receiving ads for 300,000 dollars and up. Amazing!
I wish I had money, I would open an rv park. They say, build it and they will come. I don't know how true that would be on the East coast.
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crandle
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we_rv wrote: We were there in prime time and nothing was full. Did we miss something?
Maybe you are right. We were there early in the season and our park was almost deserted as well. I had assumed things would get more crowded after we left. Alamos is a beautiful little town and well worth a visit!
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we_rv
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qtla9111 wrote:So what is the plan for this rv park, condominiums? I have received more emails from real esate agents in Baja than you can shake a stick at. Even on cable here they recently did a show in English on condos in Mazatalan. Somebody has money, and it is coming from the U.S. Just last year people were buying condos in Maz for 170K, now I am receiving ads for 300,000 dollars and up. Amazing!
I wish I had money, I would open an rv park. They say, build it and they will come. I don't know how true that would be on the East coast.
I don't see condos working in this spot. We priced it when we were there and talked to the woman who owned it. There is a lot of land --the deed for part of it was in question, but if memory serves, it was around 3,000 acres give or take. There are homes on the property, some that were quite lovely in better days and could be again. The pool was in disrepair and closed, the restaurant had been trashed and the structure burned by a traveling pilgrimage after she allowed them to stay there for free. It could certainly be developed into a lovely resort or dude ranch type place. It also could be a magical place to live if someone had enough money to keep it private and just graze cattle. The views and landscaping are amazing.
Does anyone know what the new buyer has in mind? Wish we could have afforded it . . .
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Chris. What's causing the increase in pricing? I have a couple of friends that used to sell time share in Cabo. Last time I talked to them they were not speaking highly of the current market.
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We've been going to Alamos for about 15 years now & I can't remember ever seeing Caracol when it was actually busy. There have been times when there were rigs out there but that had to be their choice, not because they couldn't find some other spot. I'm sure it was a great spot but I never could understand why anybody would want to be that far out of town. Alamos is such a wonderful community that we always want to be part of the town while we are there.
I stopped in to have a visit with Dee last winter. At that time she thought that the new owners might be amenable to RVs staying there after the change of ownership. We have some friends who like staying out there so I was asking on their behalf. Its a good thing it sold because she clearly wasn't capable of looking after it anymore.
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qtla9111
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bustersbud wrote:Chris. What's causing the increase in pricing? I have a couple of friends that used to sell time share in Cabo. Last time I talked to them they were not speaking highly of the current market.
Sorry for not answering sooner but I lost the thread. I can't speak for Cabo, but in the Northern part of Baja and Mazatlan, the word is that many Americans cannot afford to retire in the same luxury as they can in Mexico for the price. People like what they see and it is drawing larger groups with more cash to spend. In other words, I can get more for my money in Mexico. Las Gavias for example, started out at 199,000 and are now starting new developments in the 350K to 600K and are not begging for buyers. Developers also have lawyers on hand that are assuring foreign investors of the security of real estate purchases.
In addition, land prices here on the mainland are skyrocketing as many Mexicans have much larger incomes than before and the credits are now extended for up to 30 years which was never heard of in the past. It is not uncommon now to see houses in the 200K to 300K price range in the Northern states.
Our little shack has increased 300% in less than six years.
Another factor is that foreigners living in Mexico are good for the economy, not just in terms of tourism but also the fact that direct deposit of your pension check can almost guarantee Mexican residency for retirees which makes living here much easier.
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mexbungalows
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I can tell you from first-hand experience that operating a small RV park in Mexico many not be nearly as lucrative as it sounds. Every bimestre I am face to face with a CFE bill that runs to almost eight hundred dollars (amounting to forty nights income). La Comision Federal de Electriciad has a top tier price per kWh that approaches fifty-cents-per (US). Really big parks can pay the thousands upon thousands of dollars to get commercial power and pay the deposits. But the power company has a stinging minimum per-month (things aren't free in the off season for large commercial users).
Since I operate under a pension I am not forced to try and rely on income from the park. I have to subsidize it modestly just about every month. My payback is in the form of enjoying watching several local families have a better life-style because both señor y señora are employed.
Some folks are shocked when I tell them that running their roof air will cost us seven dollars twenty-cents every twelve hours. French Canadians especially do not believe me when I tell them the cost of power (even when I politely wave the bill under their nose). You folks in Canada must be spoiled with very modest electrical fees.
One way of helping a small park survive is to not load down the electrical hookup because "no one seems to be watching". Mexicans would never think to bring an issue like this out into public. Instead they are likely to secretly despair and quietly decide to close the park. I have had a number of conversations with Mexican park owners and after they establish my bonifides as a fellow park operator they tend to open up somewhat. Many sales or conversions of RV parks in Mexico were done not necessarily because the land value rose to the point of irresistibility, but because the margin of profit decayed to the point of despair.
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