Mousefart wrote: Wait till the offenders are sitting down to dinner.
Go over and sit at their table, grab a plate, and start serving yourself.
Ha ha...I know you are joking, but THIS HAPPENED to us. In reverse.
We were tent camping and only 20 feet away in the next site was a pleasant couple in their RV.
I guess the wife got bored when hubby went for a hike, so she promptly walked over to our table and joined us while we ate. Sat right down and made herself comfortable.
I was a bit surprised ...we don't interrupt anyone else's dinner -- we will be neighborly and chat when it looks like it is a good time.
Guess some folks just have VERY different viewpoints on what is good manners (or not).
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Our favorite C/G in the mountains has a stream that runs along one side of the C/G,and the sites along this stream are @ a premium price.We usually get one of these sites and I back my TT as close to the stream as I can get to try and discourage folks from walking thru my campsite.You can wade across the stream or go up to the bridge and cross and walk along the other side where there isn't and campsites but folks will still walk thru your campsite.I guess the way I look @ it is if the folks want to be beside the stream then cough up the extra cash and get a site along the stream instead of making yourselfs @ home on other folks campsites.
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Mousefart wrote: Wait till the offenders are sitting down to dinner.
Go over and sit at their table, grab a plate, and start serving yourself.
Ha ha...I know you are joking, but THIS HAPPENED to us. In reverse.
We were tent camping and only 20 feet away in the next site was a pleasant couple in their RV.
I guess the wife got bored when hubby went for a hike, so she promptly walked over to our table and joined us while we ate. Sat right down and made herself comfortable.
I was a bit surprised ...we don't interrupt anyone else's dinner -- we will be neighborly and chat when it looks like it is a good time.
Guess some folks just have VERY different viewpoints on what is good manners (or not).
Actually, no, I am not joking. I would do exactly that if someone persisted on cutting through my campsite.
The inconsiderate jerks (who should be along any time now to call us all a bunch of "whiners") use the excuse that you are only renting the site therefor you have no rights to it.
So I guess they would think it was perfectly okay to cut through your hotel room on the way to the pool. Except if they tried than in MY hotel room, they would find themselves with a face full of pepper spray and in handcuffs in about 5 seconds.
Hotel room, campsite, there is NO DIFFERENCE. Renting either grants you exclusive rights to it for the duration of the contract.
If I rent my house instead of buying it, I can STILL have you arrested for trespassing if you cut through my back yard. Even the LANDLORD can't do it BY LAW without advanced notice (at least, here in NJ).
But in the end, it's not about rules or laws, it's about common courtesy. Something that seems to be sorely lacking in far too many people these days.
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Your expectations of 21st century humans is simply too high. In an age where it is "all about me" and if it isn't, then "I'm in your face", these kind of things are going to happen. You didn't actually victimize these people with your parking on the site most close to their access to the river but you certainly didn't expect them to appreciate your privacy in a public campground, did you?
Get used to it--people, unfortunately many of us here, have such an inflated sense of entitlement that it obviates both good manners and good judgement.
Privacy in a campground--who ever heard of that?
javaseuf wrote: People own multi-million dollar homes along the Coast, here in California.
They don't own the rights to the beach in front of them. That beach and water are open to anyone that wants to use it. When people buy these homes, they know that these issues comes with the territory and just accept it and learn to live with it.
My point is that everyone has the right to use the water front in a campground even if it passes in front of your site.
Now, tramping through my campsite or through the yard of a beach-front home to get to the water is another story.
These are my thoughts, Steve. You put them very well.
The same rules apply at the lakes here in Texas. One might have a lovely home on the water...but everyone has the right to enjoy the lake. Nobody owns the property all the way to the water, so if someone decides to picnic "in your backyard" at the water's edge, tough.
I see the river as the same thing, especially when the OP said a path went right in front of their door.
Beaver's Bend is a great family park with lots of activity. Forewarned is forearmed. While you might rent your site, everyone rents the water and access to it.
Personally, I couldn't care less if someone "walks through my site."
Mousefart wrote: But in the end, it's not about rules or laws, it's about common courtesy. Something that seems to be sorely lacking in far too many people these days.
Agreed - but it needs to be a two-way street (no pun intended).
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whimstock wrote: The same rules apply at the lakes here in Texas. One might have a lovely home on the water...but everyone has the right to enjoy the lake. Nobody owns the property all the way to the water, so if someone decides to picnic "in your backyard" at the water's edge, tough.
Whimstock, you might want to recheck your facts about Texas law. For instance, there is NO public property on Lake Conroe, short of the land in the Sam Houston National Forest and the State Park. Every homeowner on that lake was required to install a bulkhead and they own the land all the way to the water. The same is true for the Colorado River. Check out the Lower Colorado River Authority's web page which plainly says:
"Q. Are the banks of the river privately owned?
A. Almost all the land outside of the riverbed is privately owned. However, if a boater encounters a hazard, a log jam, low-water dam or some other obstruction, the boater may get out and scout for a safe route, or may portage if boating would become dangerous. Such intrusion on private land should be kept to a minimum. There is no general right to cross private property. If the private landowner forbids access, you are trespassing if you go on private land. Always know where the next public access is located.
You might also want to read Diversion Lake Club v. Heath, 126 Tex. 129, 86 S.W.2d 441, 446 (1935) that reads: The court held that persons may boat and fish on all the lake’s waters, not just on the portion directly above the navigable stream. As to fishing from the lake’s shores, the court stated: “We find no authority for holding that the public have as an incident to the right to use the banks of the lake, and it is our opinion that they have no such right.”
In Texas, there is no right to trespass on private property adjacent to any public waterway and most of the land adjacent to waterways is privately owned.
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