gasbag wrote: Does anyone else think the correlation between the lack of parental involvement and control, the lack of school involvement and control, the invasive legal restrictions on our control usually promoted by the ACLU designed to protect everyone from themselves has anything to do with the fact that our children are out of control and our school system in general is at risk?
Or is it just me?
While I am waiting for this thread to be closed.....I will agree with you. In fact I will agree with you after the thread is closed too
I agree with both of you!
add me to this side. To many parents talk and not enough kids listen, and I appreciate the fact that both the school and my parents were not afraid to use corporal punishment, when it was deserved. No they never beat me, but they did spank me and there is a difference.
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gasbag wrote: Does anyone else think the correlation between the lack of parental involvement and control, the lack of school involvement and control, the invasive legal restrictions on our control usually promoted by the ACLU designed to protect everyone from themselves has anything to do with the fact that our children are out of control and our school system in general is at risk?
The only thing I agree with is the lack of parental involvement/control.
All the other stuff is nothing more than excuses commonly used by parents who don't know how to parent effectively or simply choose not to. They blame everyone they can think of instead of admitting their own failures and shortcomings (and laziness).
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gasbag wrote: Does anyone else think the correlation between the lack of parental involvement and control, the lack of school involvement and control, the invasive legal restrictions on our control usually promoted by the ACLU designed to protect everyone from themselves has anything to do with the fact that our children are out of control and our school system in general is at risk?
Or is it just me?
While I am waiting for this thread to be closed.....I will agree with you. In fact I will agree with you after the thread is closed too
I agree with both of you!
add me to this side. To many parents talk and not enough kids listen, and I appreciate the fact that both the school and my parents were not afraid to use corporal punishment, when it was deserved. No they never beat me, but they did spank me and there is a difference.
Agree 100%!!!! We were spanked as kids . . . and had a healthy fear of dad! Dad was born and raised on a farm. He raised us the way he was raised. My brother had to go out to a tree and get a switch. If it wasn't big enough, he had to get another one. He quickly learned exactly what size dad wanted! Johnny is 49 years old now and has, on numerous times, told my parents that he deserved each and every one of those beatings and MORE -- for all the things he got away with! Yep, he was a bit of a wild one, but like all of us kids, is a healthy, happy, productive member of society!
Well.... I was beaten, not spanked, at home so I have some strong feelings about that. I know there is a big difference but some people just don't know when to do it or when to stop. It's especially bad if the parent has anger issues all their own.
On the other hand, I got swats twice at elementary school for misbehaving and it was a "cake walk" compared to what I got at home. Come to think of it, I guess that's why it took two times for me to get it and learn to behave all the time while there.
I've never spanked any of the children in my care. I did swat our son on the behind once to get his attention and keep him from hurting himself. It was a knee jerk reaction after he did something completely stupid and he was as shocked as I was. It got his attention and I never felt the need/want to do it again.
We didn't have to decide whether someone at school should give him swats, it wasn't an alternative while he was there. My niece never got into much trouble at school so it was a non-issue. Looking back I am pretty sure we would have opted out if given the choice when one of them got into trouble at school.
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Super_Dave wrote: If I knew I was going to get spanked when I got home for doing something wrong at school, the school punishment would never be an issue. One is hard pressed to find kids that respectfully fear their parents the way our generation did.
yep, worked that way in the house I was raised in too.
Also worked that way in the house our 5 were raised in.
IMHO, spanking is the "easy way" to discipline...or "punish" a child, whether it's in school or at home, and ineffective for the most part.
I spanked my kids when they were small. If I were starting over today, I would not. There are far better ways to discipline and teach a child about consequences for bad behavior. When we know better...we do better.
Supporting a teacher was the norm when I was growing up and also when my kids were in school. Just seems like common sense to me. It's too bad it's not that so much that way these days.
This is one reason I am not in favor of home schooling. It's like, "Oh, sweetie, don't like the rules? Mom will teach you at home." Kids need to learn there are different authorities in the world with whom they must get along with, period.
Being the recipent of a spanking as a kindergarden stundent, and that was 40 plus years ago, I still remember everything leading up to and following the wippin, the only way a teacher would spank my child is with me present. I had welts for two days, and I remember telling her the same thing right after she finished, so it did not solve the problem. No, I didn't get it again, they called mom.
I know the teacher/principle do not mean to hurt the child, but can get carried away. I'm not against it as a last resort, to a certain age, but only after all else has been tried. A parent should be present and if the parent says no, then it is no, period. Some parents don't believe in hitting as punishment, some do. I think it is a matter of preference.
Oh, I also remember the punishment I got at home, and it stuck with me better than the wippin.
whimstock wrote: This is one reason I am not in favor of home schooling. It's like, "Oh, sweetie, don't like the rules? Mom will teach you at home." Kids need to learn there are different authorities in the world with whom they must get along with, period.
You apparently have some extremely mistaken beliefs about homeschooling.
whimstock wrote: This is one reason I am not in favor of home schooling. It's like, "Oh, sweetie, don't like the rules? Mom will teach you at home." Kids need to learn there are different authorities in the world with whom they must get along with, period.
You apparently have some extremely mistaken beliefs about homeschooling.
Let me guess...a homeschooler, right?
But, really, I suppose the homeschooling comment was off topic.
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