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Posted: 07/22/09 11:03am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Have any of you ever worked in an employee-owned business and/or could you share some insights. Seems a great way to give an employee better incentives, keep management costs within a reasonable multiple of floor workers, and far more voting individuals would protest gov't control, not just the smaller numbers of management.


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And here we are, all in the same pot and polarized again.

Has anyone stopped to think that what is beneficial for employees --middle and upper management as well as laborers-- is good for the business as a whole?

That listening to, and even acting upon employee complaints ("that van has no front brakes"), may save money in the long run and enhance profitability?

Nope.

A business has to interact with people, so that business must negotiate to get what it wants --products, services delivered, etc.
Negotiation is supposed to mean compromise.


And I really did work for a yahoo who refused to fix brakes on several company vehicles. Said the company couldn't afford it. Client got hurt in a wreck (no brakes! what a shock, huh) and they are being sued.

The biz knew about the issue and refused to correct it. That's negligence.

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macira wrote:


I do not think business has responsibility for any sort of social issue.


Well then, the lousy behavior of corporate citizens whisking jobs away should not be of any real concern to any of us.

Is outsourcing socially harmful? You betch'ya.

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Posted: 07/22/09 04:32pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Outsourcing is a symptom, NOT a problem.

Most issues that affect our lives daily are indeed subject to a political debate. And it's not an attempt, but merely a relevant series of comments, not meant to be liked, disliked, agreed with or not agreed with.


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Don't forget or leave out the fact that many of these companies moved their operations over seas when the environmental movement was in full swing. They just didn't have an extra couple of millions in their back pocket to retool their factories to conform to 'sometimes' over stringent requirements.

I just watched a program about one of the largest crab packaging factories in the states, that can NOT find enough employees to work during their peak product and they may have to close.

Can you spell lazy younger generation that does not want to work
and those that would rather stay on welfare rather than taking a lower wage, meanial job?

California is already screaming that if we boot out all illegals they will not be able to bring in the crops, because they would not be able to find enough people 'from here' to do that type of work.

It's a mix of everything.
We got too big, grew too fast, got too greedy and no one with any intelligence was at the helm of the ship to stop it from sinking.



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It's only reasonable that companies have to be profitable for employees to have jobs.
Then, everyone prospers.

It makes sense that plants /building /machinery /whatever be kept in good working order. Yes, for safety's sake. Also for money's sake. Take care of it, you don't have to replace it as often and major, money-eating repairs are found out before they eat up a bunch of cash.

Management has a vested interest in productivity, but management forgets that laborers /workers /employees have that same vested interest.

Enlightened self-interest is a whole lot different than greed.

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macira wrote:

TRISH... Fixing the brakes is just simple good sense and has no relevance to social issues.


Bad brakes do, actually.

If you have a vehicle, you also have the responsibility to make certain it is in good working order because every person has a duty not to carelessly harm another person.

Knowing, careless harm (or negligence) is a Tort and and actionable.
Now, that's a social issue.

Why?
Because we have plenty of real problems without adding to them by being behaving witlessly.

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Posted: 07/22/09 08:00pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Every separate entity, individual or corporate has moral and social obligations…

This does nor equate to socialism or any political morality affiliation… it is living and acting responsibly, living by the rule of law, being civilized as set up by the laws governing this, our country, and I believe the rules from a higher power…

Putting labels on it only serves to rationalize what we do right or wrong…

Ignoring it insures a farther decline in values we hold dear…

I think we are seeing the results of a large volumes of people form all economic levels and backgrounds ignoring their personal and corporate social and moral obligations, and the corresponding decay of values it breads… if it is not held in check will spread like a infectious disease…

I think it is at epidemic proportions already and see few signs anything is going to change any time soon…

While economic recovery is sorely needed it will surely not aid the most important recovery, and in my opinion will fuel even more decay…

If we don’t or can’t recognize and beat this problem the worst times are still ahead of and not behind us...


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Posted: 07/22/09 08:33pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Trish I would say that bad brakes is a foolish issue, being able to take legal action against a person or co with bad brakes if the bad brakes cause harm is just a fact of our laws, that does not make it a social issue.
Being foolish is a fact manifested by a pretty large segmnent of mankind, probably not fixable by laws. I submit that we cannot legislate smart.

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Posted: 07/22/09 08:47pm Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

macira wrote:
...The goal of business IS profit...
Isn't that one of the major reasons for the mortgage/banking crisis? Even soldiers in wartime are governed by a code of ethics. Can capitalism exist without an "honorable code of conduct"?

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