For your information, my Father worked on a factory floor for thirty years.
I worked on a factory floor until I figured out a better way.
Perhaps if the "workers" you so elegantly refer to spent more time worrying about their own plight in life rather than what the people who they work for make, they would themselves do better.
What percentage statistically, and it is certainly not 400%, that the lowest compared to the highest makes in any company has nothing to do with anything other than petty jealously. People are on the free market and can certainly sell themselves to a higher bidder when they find one. The market sets the wages for skill sets, not theorists who want it to be different.
Wait a minute, there. Who says work is a "plight?"
Who says working with your hands is something to be ashamed of, to "raise yourself from?"
Play nice.
My statements in no way are meant to disparage any worker. It would be unfair to portray my comments in that manner and I am not denigrating any job classification...
Plight can describe any position where the employee either feels (or is italics mine) underpaid or abused.
Then your apology for the offense given is accepted.
macira wrote: Trish.. Look around a bit and you will find that most folks belong to one or the other even when they deny it. Check out various lines here, voting, letters to the editor etc.
I do think it's true!!
Mac,
You are right and the mentality of that irritates me to no end.
It's as if one must belong to some unnamed club, they must align themselves or prostrate themselves on the altar of "T" or "U" for some peculiar kind of external validation.
I don't get it. I didn't get it or join it in HS, I'm sure not going to now.
What is so wonderful about being around a bunch of 'like-minded' people?
All you will see /hear /experience are the same things over and over. By rote.
Sheesh, that's like Catholic school and catechism.
After a while, the words don't mean anything, you just say them to pass some kind of test.
ps: Far as HD goes, hey, I ride a Rebel, but that's only because I got old and my knees won't hold up a "real bike" (yes, boys & girls, there's a difference) on all these bloody hills.
I think the wages paid for any job to be fair to both the payer and the payee must be based on the value that person adds to the process, the education required,the degree of risk involved in decisions made, physical skills,and availability of person to take the job.
Wants and "needs" or either payer or payee when added to the process distort the process as do pressure brought by either party.
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Trish. I looked at the article re BoA. I have to say For a variety of reason I have no use for BofA, however SEIU is way down my list of likes also. I don't find it odd that BofA has done what they may be doing, I was surely not a supporter of the scheme to pass out TARP money or whatever they came to call it. I always suspected the $$ would go wandering off.
Folks, the majority of posts to this thread have been void of flaming or political content. However, I have had to do some editing so if you wish to continue the discussion understand it fine to exhibit contempt for the situation but not for one another and any political overtones must be well masked.
Be aware I take considerable heat from various quarters at times due to these threads. However, I find the airing of opinions during difficult times is beneficial; you have a venue to air your opinion(s) and I have a venue to somewhat observe a small sample of the general populous mood.
The Harley (get one while you still can) guys and gals might as well saddle up and ride off into the sunset cause this boat is still sinking and the management team and their buddies raided the safe and left in the lifeboats.
If anyone is still getting their news from the MSM please diversify.
macira wrote: BURLMART I think you have to decide if you or an "us" or a "them" , which may translate to "the woe is me gang" or "the folks in charge did good gang".
There can be no outside cause nor can you belong to another gang. SOOO Choose your story, but recall that whatever story you choose reality is what it is.
If you ride foreign motorcycle you may be killing HD, so I can't tell which gang you belong to.
I appreciate the heads-up Mac. I am not much of a biker, though I have put thousands of miles on bicycles in my life.
I am a synthesizer by temperament. When I see a conflict, I seek its context and maybe its explanation.
I think this discussion is right on the money in demonstrating what is wrong w/ capitalism w/r to the observation that the very few are enriched on the backs of the many, and the benefits drawn from the land, labor, and capital are increasingly going to the few. The ever-amplifying disparity between the two is starting to smell.
Pro-capitalists will counter that capitalism is the only choice for the planet and that it is the greatest builder of wealth ever known by mankind, for mankind. And so, again the question arises, ‘Why do we see such a global disparity between the haves and the have-nots?’
Can capitalism ever bring prosperity to all instead of only a few?
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