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boaterman

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I am looking at a 21,000# 5th wheel for my next purchase. Also, looking at the Dodge Ram 5500 for the tv.

How can I tow this 5er with the GCWR of the truck at 26, 000#? I see many people towing this weight with one tons..

Is this legal?


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If the GCWR (not GVWR) is truly 26K#, then you have a problem. I suspect the GCWR is much more than 26K#. My older F550 (also class 5) had a GCWR of 30K#, still to light for a 21K# fiver. You may want to consider a class 6 or 7 truck. Been there - see rig in sig below.

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Posted: 08/08/09 10:55am Link  |  Quote  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

Nope he is correct that the GCWR for the Dodges are 26,000#. These trucks are made for hauling heavy loads. If you load the 5er to the GVWR you are looking at a total GCW of pushing 31,000# (depending on the bed installed on the Dodge). My F550 is right at 9100# with just a F350 bed installled on it. If I had a toter bed with all of the storage compartments on it I would probably be right at 10,000# empty. If you go to an aluminum toter bed that would keep it down some.

IMO the truck would probably do it but it is beyond the manufacturers rating by about 6,000#.

I use to pull a 20,000# GVWR Elite Suites and that is the reason I have the F550 that is rated for 33,000# GCWR.


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Butch50 wrote:



I use to pull a 20,000# GVWR Elite Suites and that is the reason I have the F550 that is rated for 33,000# GCWR.


Butch50 - Thanks for your informed response...

What class DL is required for the 33M GCWR?

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boaterman wrote:

What class DL is required for the 33M GCWR?


It depends...
What does the Driver's Licensing law in YOUR state say?


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GCVWR is a warranty issue not a legal issue. It is used by manufacturers to determine at what point they will no longer honor warranty repairs. SAFETY or LEGAL matters concern GVWR and GAWR only. That is why the GCVWR is found nowhere on the DOT sticker on the door post.


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skipnchar wrote:

GCVWR is a warranty issue not a legal issue. It is used by manufacturers to determine at what point they will no longer honor warranty repairs. SAFETY or LEGAL matters concern GVWR and GAWR only. That is why the GCVWR is found nowhere on the DOT sticker on the door post.


I don't believe there is a law that says your truck has to be below what is on the mattress tag on your door jam. I believe the law has something to do with how much weight is loaded on a single axle. That weight is standard across the board. I believe it is 28K per axle. I also believe it is only for commercial trucks.


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A Truck hauls weight by its axle/tire capacity. The 3500 DRW Dodge has a 9350 RAWR for carrying a payload. The 3500 DRW has approx 5500+ lbs of payload capacity. With 5500 lbs of payload available makes the 3500 DRW very popular with RVers. The 4500 will have lots of excess towing capacity for RVers pulling a 20k+ RV.

A 4500 CC Dodge has a 12000 RAWR vs a 13500 RAWR for a 5500 CC Dodge. Looking at a few commercial haulers
webs where these trucks are popular they report the trucks rear axle unladin weight is around 3500-3800 depending the outfitted bed. That leaves 8500 lbs of payload for the 4500 truck and approx 9500-9700 lbs of payload for the 5500 truck. Actual weights will be determined by weighing the trucks empty front and rear axles.

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Didn't see your GCWR question. Their is no legal issues pertaining to GCWR as its not a DOT/NHTSA/FMVSS requirement for it to be on the trucks placard. Only the trucks GVWR and GAWR's are DOT/NHTSA required.

GCWR can be different with just a gear change or a gas vs diesel engine or a manual vs auto and in some years it was simply a different hp rating. All in the same chassis.

If your concerned about legal weight issues just call or drop by your local TX state troopers headquarters or a TXDOT field officer for their input as they are the bottom line.

* This post was edited 08/08/09 01:39pm by JIMNLIN *


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I don't know about the 4500/5500 Dodges but I have read that the reason that the GM 4500/5500 was rated at 26,000# GCWR (the same as Dodge) was that the Allison 1000 transmission parking pawl was only rated to handle that amount of weight. So there maybe the same type of thing with the Dodge.

To answer the OP question about what type of licenses it is exactly as mowermech stated it depends on the state where you reside.

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