Sorry your thread turned into a Ford vs Dodge vs Chevy, my truck is better than yours...ect. I'm sure your head is spinning and this group sounds like a bunch of truck salesmen. Again, you really should test drive both and compare and see which truck you like the best and go with it. You won't hurt my feeling one bit if you go Ford, and why should it? Why would I care what you or my neighbor parks in his driveway? Its your money, and you have to drive it and maintain it. I can only opinion my experience with Dodge. I'm not bashing any other trucks on the road, and don't really care if there are more Fords or Chevys on the road, and that doesn't make one better than the other. If anyone thinks their truck is bullet proof and will never break down, I got news for ya. As I said in my PM reply, if you have any other question about the 4500, I'd be glad to help if I can!
Good luck to you and sure you'll make the right decision.
Steve
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Well I recomend Freightliner M2, just kidding. I like the Cummins, however I still recomend the GM Trucks if your going Diesel. The reason is because the Duramax/Allison is a proven combo, very little changes other than HP and Torq since they were brought on line. As for Ford just to many changes in power plants, and poor fuel mileage. And Ford is on the verge of another Diesel engine in 2011. However you can't go wrong with the Cummins, and yes they cost less than the GM Trucks, but no Allison. Again its just a choice. And if your happy thats all that matters. Be very careful with the Cab and Chassis the ride can be harsh, if you buy one thats been upfitted it will or could have a air ride suspension. I at one time had a Chevy Kodiak 4500 upfitted by Chariot Vans Inc and it was the second best riding Truck I ever owned, air ride seats, suspention. Good Luck with your choice. Be happy, life is to short.
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Capt Skup wrote: Hmm, 11 posts cherry picked out of forums. Hmm, wonder how many 6.4s are on the road? Running just fine. Probably more 6.4 sold in the three years of production than Cummins powered Dodges in the last 10 years. And please remember, good chance many of those posts could very well be total BS.
Oh I seriously doubt your sales numbers are even close.
I don't see why a person would take the time to make up stories about how their truck performs (especially when it is bad), but who knows.
In any case, yes those are certainly 11 threads picked to demostrate the issues the 6.4L has. I could have posted many more, but stopped on the 4th page of the forums as I said. 11 is just what I found during the brief search. For comparison purposes, I did some checking on the 6.7L Cummins specific forum on DieselTruckResource.com, looking for similar complaints of a catestrophic engine failure. I went back a number of pages (more than the 4 I did on the Ford forums) and didn't find a single one. I found a few people complaining about minor issues, injectors that failed, replacing a turbo, check engine lights, but nothing in the "Kaboom" realm at under 50,000 miles like on the Ford forums.
A couple of google searches for good measure turned up zero as well.
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Delaine and Lindy wrote: Well I recomend Freightliner M2, just kidding. I like the Cummins, however I still recomend the GM Trucks if your going Diesel. The reason is because the Duramax/Allison is a proven combo, very little changes other than HP and Torq since they were brought on line. As for Ford just to many changes in power plants, and poor fuel mileage. And Ford is on the verge of another Diesel engine in 2011. However you can't go wrong with the Cummins, and yes they cost less than the GM Trucks, but no Allison. Again its just a choice. And if your happy thats all that matters. Be very careful with the Cab and Chassis the ride can be harsh, if you buy one thats been upfitted it will or could have a air ride suspension. I at one time had a Chevy Kodiak 4500 upfitted by Chariot Vans Inc and it was the second best riding Truck I ever owned, air ride seats, suspention. Good Luck with your choice. Be happy, life is to short.
In the Dodge cab and chassis, you get the Aisin automatic 6 speed transmission which has a 180,000 mile warranty. It competes very well against the Allison, and is just as durable, perhaps moreso. Allison superiority is a thing of the past.
Also, to ib516, thanks for the links. They are an eye opener for sure!!
Talk about shooting the messenger! Sheesh....all I'm doing is telling the OP what Ford owners are reporting. It's not a bunch of links to a Dodge forum where they are just "bench racing" or blowing smoke. In fact, I have provided links so he can go read for himself, and not take my word for it. The OP is ASKING for opinions on a DISCUSSION FORUM about which truck to buy.
If there are similar issues with the 6.7L Cummins failing in 8 out of 16 vehicles owned by a fleet, or blowing up in dramatic fashion at under 20,000 miles, let's hear 'em!
Heck, if you were planning on buying a given product, wouldn't some info from those that already own it be valuable?
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Yup, while the GM built transmission with the Allison label is a good transmission it is no better than what is offered in other brands of heavy duty pickups, and it is actually rated for less capacity than the Ford built Torqueshift or the excellant transmission backing up the Cummins sourced engine in the Dodge pickups and cab chassis models. I was one who suggested the OP take both trucks under consideration for long test drives to see which fit he needs best. Unfortunatley the same ole, same ole posters that pooh pooh everything Ford/PSD had to chime in. So of course being somewhat competitive in nature I had to swat the ball back over the fence. If I was seriously considering a Chrysler LLC built truck today, I would certainly be concerned with the long term health of the company. I still don't see Fiat investing any real money into the new Chysler. Of course the old Chrysler is busy flushing all those foolishly funded tax dollars down the drain. $344 million????? http://www.freep.com/article/20090922/BU......../1322/Old-Chrysler-has--344-million-loss
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If you do the same for the Dodge specific forums, and check out the 6.7L engines section, you see a complaint here and there, but not near the number of failures the other forums post.
You have got to be kidding. I'm on most all the Ford forums and have not seen "lots" of failures. Sure some people have problems but I wouldn't classify it as comparable to the 6.0.
You can't deny (or maybe YOU will) that the 6.7 is not as reliable as the 5.9.
Do you own stock in Fiat/ Chrysler, as you must have an agenda?
Not at all. The Cummins 6.7L had a few issues too when it was introduced. Most of what I have read has been DPF/emissions related, sooted up turbos, check engine lights, that kind of thing. the number of those types of threads has steadily declined too, most are of the opinion that the teething issues with the 6.7L Cummins have been corrected now. There are certainly not the amount of catestrophic failures the Ford guys are posting.
If you do the same for the Dodge specific forums, and check out the 6.7L engines section, you see a complaint here and there, but not near the number of failures the other forums post.
You have got to be kidding. I'm on most all the Ford forums and have not seen "lots" of failures. Sure some people have problems but I wouldn't classify it as comparable to the 6.0.
You can't deny (or maybe YOU will) that the 6.7 is not as reliable as the 5.9.
Do you own stock in Fiat/ Chrysler, as you must have an agenda?
Not at all. The Cummins 6.7L had a few issues too when it was introduced. Most of what I have read has been DPF/emissions related, sooted up turbos, check engine lights, that kind of thing. the number of those types of threads has steadily declined too, most are of the opinion that the teething issues with the 6.7L Cummins have been corrected now. There are certainly not the amount of catestrophic failures the Ford guys are posting.
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Here are some for you; DPF Frustrationthis guy unplugged his EGR = modified....of course he's going to have DPF issues This guy regrets his purchaseI would too. That was apparently a bad one. Gremlins?This guy's truck failed to start one time in 32,000 miles. Turned key off, back on, and it fired right up. Hardly a big issue there. Bad Turbo07 truck, no mention of mileage in the thread. Could be 15,000 or 150,000. Another bad turboThere was a turbo redesign that eliminates the "sooting up" of the old design. He had an old one, went to the new one. Blown head gasketIf you read down to the 3rd or 4th post, that was actually a cracked EGR cooler, not a bad headgasket. Bad TurboActually not a bad turbo, traced to his aftermarket intake. Turbo ProblemsSooted up turbo Making oilBad TurboThat person has an Edge Juice w/attitude on his truck as he says in the OP = modified, soots up turbo Bad turbo1st gen turbo, replaced by newer design under warranty, no more sooting issues Bad turboAnother Edge juice modified truck with a sooted up turbo...right in the initial post
I can dig up MANY more if you like.
Sure!
All that and not one major engine failure over 3 websites you checked?
- Dieseltruckresource
- Turbodieselregister
- Cumminsforum
Everything you posted confirms what I said earlier.
do this ford guys really belive they can compear a powerstroke ANY powerstroke to a cummins? are you guys serius? or you guys pulling ib516 leg just to fire him up.
Capt Skup wrote: Unfortunatley the same ole, same ole posters that pooh pooh everything Ford/PSD had to chime in. So of course being somewhat competitive in nature I had to swat the ball back over the fence. If I was seriously considering a Chrysler LLC built truck today, I would certainly be concerned with the long term health of the company.
I'm assuming you're referring to me in the "pooh pooh" comment (that feels naughty) .
Apparently, you've missed all my positive comments on the F150, Ford V10, Ford Crown Vic, 7.3L PSD, and the 4.6L V8 being a durable performer.
Nothing against Ford at all. I also, to use your words, "pooh, pooh" the GM Duramax diesels that overheat. Nothing against GM either, in fact, i am on my 4th GM minivan product (1995 Lumina APV, 2000 GMC Safari, 2001 Chevy Venture, and now a 2006 Pontiac Montana SV6). Only the Venture gave me problems with the POJ intake gasket design that leaked and required engine teardown - that was the subject of a class action lawsuit, so many many people "pooh poohed" that one.
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