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Posted By: steveandjil on 05/26/11 09:15am

Hi Folks,

I can't afford the amount of generator I would need for running my AC, so I thought of being more modest and getting a small one for topping the batteries when I dry camp. I have a 30 amp shore power line. Can I just put that into a converter and plug it into a honda 1000 to top the batteries?

Another option would be to connect the batteries directly to the ac output, but I'd prefer not to do that.

Steve


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Posted By: PapPappy on 05/26/11 09:22am

I would think that you could buy a nice Champion Genset that would handle the 30A service of the RV, for the price of that Honda 1000. Yes, it will be noisier, but you would have the power for the A/C if you wanted it.

As for connecting the genset to the batteries....NO!!!!!!!
Unless that genset has a 12VDC connection, you don't want to go and mix 110VAC with 12VDC, unless you want to see your RV go up in flames

If the generator has a 12VDC charging option, then you can connect to the batteries, the same way that you would with a regular 110VAC battery charger. From what I've read, you would probably do better to get a good battery charger, and then plug it into the genset to charge batteries the way you might at home.

Best of luck to you!


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Posted By: GertiesTravels on 05/26/11 09:32am

steveandjil wrote:

Hi Folks,

I can't afford the amount of generator I would need for running my AC, so I thought of being more modest and getting a small one for topping the batteries when I dry camp. I have a 30 amp shore power line. Can I just put that into a converter and plug it into a honda 1000 to top the batteries?

Another option would be to connect the batteries directly to the ac output, but I'd prefer not to do that.

Steve


Hi Steve

Yes, you can plug your cord directly into the gen and your onboard converter will charge your batteries, but you should also be aware that when you do this you will also "charge" the entire unit as well and if you run lights or whatever it will draw from the generator.

If all you are looking at is keeping/charging your batteries while dry camping you might look into Solar. About the same bang for your buck as a honda 1000 will set you up with a single pannel and a good charger that you can add another pannel, or two in the future. Big pluss of Solar is that once installed you do not have to feed it (gass) and it is not noisy!

As to plugging the batteries directly into the AC output of the generator, you might want to reconsider that option. 120V AC will not play well at all with 12V DC. Doing this you will have to replace the batteries, and probably most of your vehicle when the batteries explode!

I am sure that you indended to say, use the 12V charging option on the Honda generator, not plug directly to 120v. This really is not a very good option as the Honda Generator puts out very little amps on the DC charger option and you would be wasting a lot of the power capabilities of the charger. A better option would be to get a decent inverter with charge capabilities and interface with that. It would also be the first step to going solar.

JMHO

Jim D.


1991 Chevy Western Hauler 454 engine - RV cam, Headers, Dual Flowmasters, K&N 100 Gall Aux Gas tank
2004 29' Crossroads Cruiser 5th wheel
4 Interstate GC Batteries + WM Caps
2 daughters, 1 cat, 1 sofa lounging Pug, 4 peacocks, too many horses & chickens!



Posted By: Wayne Dohnal on 05/26/11 09:48am

A few forum members do exactly what you are proposing and are pleased with the Honda eu1000i. The frustrating thing about it is the 1000i doesn't cost a whole lot less than the 2000i. So unless the smaller size and/or lighter weight are really important to you, the 2000i is a much better value. Also consider the new Champion 2000i inverter generator. In real world testing it looks to be in-between Honda's 1000i and 2000i, power-wise, and costs a couple hundred less than the Honda 1000i.


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Honda Fit dinghy with US Gear brake system
LinkPro battery monitor - EU2000i generator


Posted By: 2oldman on 05/26/11 09:58am

What happens in Truck Campers stays in Truck Campers:

H 1000 post in Truck Campers


Posted By: BFL13 on 05/26/11 10:02am

Just posted recently on a trial using the 12v DC charger part of the Honda to see what happens. Honda 3000 in this case but another guy did it with his 2000 (ISTR it was thread "Equalizing with my Honda" or somesuch)

On Eco, the battery voltage (they were already charged)went straight to 16+v (don't have an amps reading) when Honda eco turned off, the motor revved up as it should, and battery voltage jumped to 17.5v and they started to bubble furiously. Had to stop after 15 minutes as electrolyte was overflowing from the battery caps.

Hydrometer right after that was all cloudy from stirring up the bottom stuff--no stratification there for sure Good part was that SG was still nice and high next morning after the fluid was clear again.

I would be hesitent to use the 12v Honda charger feature even on batteries that did need charging from a low SOC without closely monitoring battery voltage.

Your best bet is to get a real battery charger and plug that into the Honda's AC side. eg, you can run about a 40amp charger (700-800watts) from a Honda 1000 without all those "issues" using the Honda's dirty output 8amp wonder DC charger.

* This post was edited 05/26/11 10:09am by BFL13 *


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Posted By: MEXICOWANDERER on 05/26/11 01:34pm

Use a MANUAL CHARGER for topping off batteries. Most smart chargers need thorazine because what they believe to be reality is just plain nuts.


Posted By: Center Pin on 05/26/11 12:31pm

Before I got my Yamaha 2400 I had one of these Honda's given to me:



At the size of a lunch box I thought it was a joke, but soon earned it's keep, keeping batteries charged on extended dry camping trips.

I see them on craigslist once and while for cheap.


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Posted By: YC 1 on 05/26/11 01:07pm

As the owner of a 1000 honda I sure wish I could have bought the 2000. At the time it was not the money. It was the space to store it as well as the few extra pounds. My back was ailing and a couple of extra pounds were serious. The most important issue was size and one inch taller would not have allowed me to store it in my cabinets. I generally use it now just to charge my boat batteries using the onboard 3 battery bank charger. I run a long extension cord and put the generator as far away as possible. In some cases I just put it on the deck of the boat.

As for running my energy hungry MH I have to turn the onboard charger way way down or it trips the generator. That is fine but a 2000 would be ever so sweet. I'm hoping some day to trade up.

I do have the advantage of pressing the magic button and the diesel 8000W unit comes on quietly and runs the neighborhood.


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Posted By: Jayco-noslide on 05/26/11 01:23pm

I almost did what you are contemplating but I am so glad we went ahead and spent a few hundred more for the Honda 2000. It will run lights, toaster oven, microwave (not all at the same time) plus recharge the battery. But even with the 2000 we have to be careful of what is running so I don't think the 1000 would do much more than the battery.


Jayco-noslide


Posted By: bob_b on 05/26/11 01:27pm

I have owned all sorts of generators:
  • 5000 watt Generac (10hp B&S engine)
  • 6500 propane Onan (currently in motorhome)
  • 2200 WenPro
  • 3500 WenPro (similar to Champion)
  • ETQ 1200
  • Honda EU1000i
  • Honda EU2000i Companion
  • Honda EU2000i
  • HF Chicago 800/900 watt (2 stroke)

I have to say that the regular Honda EU2000i was the most useful. The EU1000i is nice but I'd skip it. I got the Honda EU2000i for $450 on Craigslist but sold it (at a profit) last year because of the economy. I will own another one someday soon

* This post was edited 05/26/11 01:36pm by bob_b *


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Posted By: ExRocketScientist on 05/26/11 10:31am

If you have a higher amperage converter in your rig, it may draw to much for the 1000. Check the electrical specs on the coverter to be sure. The 2000 will handle just about any converter or charger out there (but always check to be sure), and has been mentioned is not that much more.

While I have two Honda 2000i generators (consecutively serial numbered so you may see me refer to them as "the twins" in other posts), I will recommend you also take a look at what Yamaha has to offer.

Call Wise Sales (www.wisesales.com) and check their prices. They are usually pretty good. You may be suprised what you can actually afford.


ERS


Posted By: pianotuna on 05/26/11 10:55am

Hi,

Go solar. It is a one time cost vs niggling costs for every trip when using a generator. Generators run out of fuel at the most annoying times. Then there is periodic maintenance such as oil changes.

Currently costs for solar panels are under $2.00 per watt. You do need to add a charge controller for the panels.


Regards, Don
Full Time in a Kustom Koach Class C 28'5", 256 watts Unisolar, 875 amp hours in two battery banks 12 volt batteries, Magnum 3000 watt PSW inverter.


Posted By: mena661 on 05/26/11 11:12am

To answer your question, I would go for the Boliy 3000W for $1200 instead of the Honda 1000W. That will run your A/C. What I would actually do in reality is something else entirely.


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Trojan L16 6V's 740 Amp-hours



Posted By: smkettner on 05/26/11 10:11pm

The 1000 will put about 40 amps into the battery
The 2000 will go 75 and maybe 100a if the charger is power factor corrected.
How big is your converter? Or you could match a 40a portable to the 1000.


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2006 Keystone Springdale 249FWBHLS
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Posted By: pnichols on 05/27/11 11:21am

We go even smaller for battery charging - a Honda EX650. Got it for free over 20 years ago and it still looks like new and starts with one or two pulls.

We do have a big built-in generator in our RV, however, so we're still able to use the A/C, microwave, and hair dryer when dry camping if needed, but the little Honda is great for very quiet and economical charging of the batteries.


Phil, 2005 E450 Itasca 324V Spirit


Posted By: dclark1946 on 05/27/11 07:04am

pianotuna wrote:

Hi,

Go solar. It is a one time cost vs niggling costs for every trip when using a generator. Generators run out of fuel at the most annoying times. Then there is periodic maintenance such as oil changes.

Currently costs for solar panels are under $2.00 per watt. You do need to add a charge controller for the panels.


Solar is fine as long as you are camping in the sun. I always pick the most shaded spot. EU1000i a few hours in the morning works best for us in national parks when we dry camp. Fill it up twice during a 10 day camping trip.

Dick


Dick & Karen
Richardson,TX
2007 KZ Spree 240RBS
03 Tahoe/09 F250 V10


Posted By: hershey on 05/26/11 08:32pm

I nearly purchased the 1000 watt Honda. My wife talked me into the 2000 watt instead. (what do women know?)
With my converter running at high rate, even the 2000 watt Honda wouldn't handle the load. I have to throttle my charge rate down a bit for the Honda to carry the load. For the few bucks different, I'd suggest the 2000 watt Honda.
Later on if the mood strikes you, you can purchase a second one to parallel them and run your AC.


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Posted By: mike-uswest on 05/26/11 05:54pm

I have solar that I rely on 95% of the time, but for times when it is stormy, dark, and the solar panels aren't keeping up with the demand, I bought a Yamaha 1000 for giving me a little extra charge. I plug the power cord into it, and with my 40 amp xantrex, it works like a charm. It is small and uses very little fuel. You wouldn't be able to use a 1000 if your converter was larger than about 45 amps. As far as running the AC, In all of the years that we have had RV's, we have only started the AC a couple of times, and then mainly to see if they worked. If it is that warm, I want to be out in the shade of a tree drinking an adult beverage.

Mike


2003 Dodge 2500 CTD, 4X4,
1994 Alpenlite 26'fifth wheel
See picture in profile.



Posted By: mena661 on 05/26/11 01:49pm

mexbungalows wrote:

Use a MANUAL CHARGER for topping off batteries. Most smart chargers need thorazine because what they believe to be reality is just plain nuts.
Would you recommend that Harbor Freight manual charger for topping off?

EDIT: Nevermind, it would work but, in my case, I might need two or more.


Posted By: Artum Snowbird on 05/26/11 05:10pm

Guess what? We had a power failure in the middle of a cloudy afternoon just two hours ago. I started the generator, plugged in the well pump, and DW had the shower she was planning before going out. I love my Honda 2000.

Power is now restored but it saved the day today.


Mike and Carole
2007 Snowbird 9'6" Super Slide Sold
2005 16.6 Double Eagle
2000 F350 7.3 SC 4X4
previously 8'10" Snowbird Camper
2006 Triple E Regency 27 foot SXL SOLD!


Posted By: bikendan on 05/26/11 02:12pm

Wayne Dohnal wrote:

A few forum members do exactly what you are proposing and are pleased with the Honda eu1000i. The frustrating thing about it is the 1000i doesn't cost a whole lot less than the 2000i. So unless the smaller size and/or lighter weight are really important to you, the 2000i is a much better value. Also consider the new Champion 2000i inverter generator. In real world testing it looks to be in-between Honda's 1000i and 2000i, power-wise, and costs a couple hundred less than the Honda 1000i.


agreed!


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