GM-Jayco36REQS wrote: This is one of the reasons I went with Jayco... they use the Leland/Dexter frames built to their specs.
All trailers are not the same structurally... without a sound frame, no matter how else the trailer is built, it will have issues at some point due to chassis flex.
But then you ruined it all by buying that Chev with the wussy frame - oh well
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GM-Jayco36REQS wrote: This is one of the reasons I went with Jayco... they use the Leland/Dexter frames built to their specs.
All trailers are not the same structurally... without a sound frame, no matter how else the trailer is built, it will have issues at some point due to chassis flex.
But then you ruined it all by buying that Chev with the wussy frame - oh well
GM-Jayco36REQS wrote: This is one of the reasons I went with Jayco... they use the Leland/Dexter frames built to their specs.
All trailers are not the same structurally... without a sound frame, no matter how else the trailer is built, it will have issues at some point due to chassis flex.
But then you ruined it all by buying that Chev with the wussy frame - oh well
LOL... might want to relook at what year my Chevy is.. the 2011 is by far and wide NOT a wussy frame... 2011 is a totally different truck than previous yrs... only the body looks the same. Check this out...
I was about to tell him the same thing...that's why we traded in a Chevy C4500 and bought a new 2011 Chevy...definitely NOT the same truck as in the past! Always loved the Duramax and Allison combination, and now the rest of the truck is in the same league...JMHO!
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GM-Jayco36REQS wrote: This is one of the reasons I went with Jayco... they use the Leland/Dexter frames built to their specs.
All trailers are not the same structurally... without a sound frame, no matter how else the trailer is built, it will have issues at some point due to chassis flex.
But then you ruined it all by buying that Chev with the wussy frame - oh well
LOL... might want to relook at what year my Chevy is.. the 2011 is by far and wide NOT a wussy frame... 2011 is a totally different truck than previous yrs... only the body looks the same. Check this out...
Probably a fair test, but with results spun to hilight a strength and completely bypass the weakness.
Most times a certain amount of frame flex is designed into a system. If you watch the first test very close you can see the ford managed to keep both front wheels on the ground, which is quickly cut away from, while the chevy was hanging one tire in the sky. Chevy may have a stiffer frame, but off road articulation is compromised.
Open channel C frame doesnt collect rust producing crud like a box frame will. Fact.
Odds are open channel will be around long after box framed has rusted into oblivion.
Is the box superior? In my opinion no. The tests played to strengths and ignored weaknesses.
Is open channel superior? In rust resistance I'd say yes. Off road capabilities? Again I'd say yes. Superior over all? Who knows. I guess it all depends on what you want it to do.
Chevy designis probably better in some cases, Ford design in others.
This test wants to show chevy as the Best. I say both designs have compromised certain areas in order to enhance others.
When was the last time ANY manufacturer engagaed in their own sponsored test that they didnt't win? These tests are always biased be it in what is being tested, how it is being tested, and most likely always a combination of the two.
I'm an admitted Ford guy, but I wouldn't be ashamed to drive any of the late model trucks. Well, maybe just a little bit when driving a dodge.
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I remember in the 70s when both Ford and Chev used the same video showning both trucks airborne in a jump. The Ford looked like it was coming apart in the air with twin I-beam, and the Chev looked like it got destroyed when it hit the ground. Moral of the story - don't jump your truck.
kakampers wrote: I was about to tell him the same thing...that's why we traded in a Chevy C4500 and bought a new 2011 Chevy...definitely NOT the same truck as in the past! Always loved the Duramax and Allison combination, and now the rest of the truck is in the same league...JMHO!
From the response I got from GM, the problem/s must have been present in More than 2% of the product, since they 'fixed' it.
I had a 2005 Saturn Ion that wouldn't start consistantly in cool/cold weather. Ragged my way up the 'customer service' chain. Ended up 2 or 3 levels up into the GM chain. Was told by that person, "Since the problem occurred in less than 2% of the product, GM has not addressed the issue". Their suggestion was to replace the Ignition Switch and the Computer,,, with NO Guarantee that the parts would fix the problem, because they (GM) had not addressed it as an issue. Bailout my ___, I need a bailout. Took a bath on that one.
So I bought a Dodge, They needed one, too.
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If it was truely a closed box frame, with old-style painting, I might agree with you on the rust issues. But, the 2011 Chevy box frame is open box with drain holes at the low points. It also has a thick rubbery coating inside and out for rust prevention.
As for off-road ability.. I didn't buy this truck to go hop boulders, or serious off-roading. It's not designed for that. It's designed to haul heavy loads comfortably, quickly... day after day. If I want a serious off-road truck, I'd build one with 3'+ wheel travel.
Actually if you watch the video a few times you will see BOTH trucks front wheels are off the ground at the stopping point... and when they stop the trucks both have the rear wheels on the ground and ramped.
Coming from a 9 family members who own 1-ton dually's.. prior to 2008 8 were Ford, 1 Chevy... since 2008: 8 are Chevy and 1 Ford (soon to be Chevy). With doing comparrisions over the years personally competing with my family, I can say I've never seen a truck come close to the 2011 Chevy in real world use. I'll stick to my 2011 and have no doubts I'll enjoy it for many many yrs to come!!
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