yes it can....
the mining company grades one of the main roads for their trucks for about 20 miles or so. that portion is pretty will maintained. the balance of the road gets graded by the county maybe once or twice a year (he's got a huge area to cover).
the road eats tires. i concur that maybe one of four folks will get a flat or two along the way. depending on the road condition and what you are driving (and towing), it may take as little as 75 minutes to get to the park boundry or 8 1/2 hours. i own both those times. the former with a graded road and the later towing my tt to the cg. the norm is around 2 1/2 hours.
i've seen vw rabbits in the campground, even a crown victoria with washington tags. i would not recommend it. a tow truck is over $1,000 (hourly rate, 8hr min). i've even seen a rental geo that a young couple drove to the overlook for 15 minutes of shaggin. go figure. the more common vehicle is high clearance with or w/o 4 wheel drive.
the drive is part of the beauty of what makes tuweep what it is.
try time it to catch the sunset as you drive in! just beautiful...
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I've almost always had a 4wd vehicle of some sort and I try and find back woods places to do to in the Sierras. I can tell you almost without exception, I have gone into some back country places where I had to be in 4wd all the way climbing over rocks and ruts and driving through streams and every time I get back in there I find somebody in a 65 VW bus, or a Ford Minivan, or a Geo Metro or something along those lines. I have no idea how they get down those roads but they do it somehow.
Are you allowed to park at the start of that road and do the 60 miles in on Quads? Quads are just so comfortable on these roads. You'd have to carry gas to do the full 120, but I'd love to go back in there with the quads.
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I just looked this place up and see it is on the North side of the Canyon. This is someplace I've always wanted to go. Looks like you can't use ATV's unless they are street legal and California won't do that and I doubt Arizona would give me plates since I don't live there. One question I have is the campsites say they are first come first serve. So if I drive 61 miles down this dirt road expecting to camp and the sites are all full what can you do? The rules appear to say no camping except in the sites.
re quads..i could say call the park. assuming the laws have not changes since last season (unlikely) street legal in az means your ride has an "mc" plate to be street legal. you can take it in the park. not legal=$1,800 fine per vehicle, don't do it. not worth the chance of getting caught. i can't speak for calif tags, maybe the az law folks can answer your q.
only 8 sites and 2 group sites in the park. no reservation except the group sites (need a group, not just 1 or 2 pax). no camping anywhere else in the park. outside the overlook area the park requires a camping permit for hikers. rather expensive IMO. look up the park website for details. just outside the park boundry is 8,000 sq miles of dispursed camping. monument and blm land. the old airstrip (tuweep int'l ap) is just outside the park boundry and is a great place to overnight. the ranger station is less than a mile away with public vault toilets (long drop). finding a place to camp outside the park is never a problem.
kaibab plateau is easier to get to and takes you to lots of trailheads to explore the canyon. fs land and all disbursed, no fees.
if i'm wrong here, someone square me away......
happy trails
So if I go all the way there and the campsites are full I don't have to drive 61 miles back, I just have to get out of the NP to BLM land? How far back is that?
On the Quads the best California gives you is a green sticker. It only allows for offroad use and even then you're really restricted on where you can go. The only legal use on the highway is crossing at a 90 degree angle, but I have fudged on that a few times. So based on what I read on the website it won't be legal in the NP. Now the BLM land should be fine.
yes, anywhere outside the wire boundry fence is fine for camping. that is parashaunt monument land. you will not have to drive all the back to the hiway. i think from the fence/cattleguard park entrance to the overlook is maybe 4-5 miles. tha cg is full only in the spring and fall seasons. most folks avoid the heat during the summer so the cg is never full. most of the visitors at that time are from out of this country. i feel they make up about 1/3 of all the visitors out here if not more.
re quads again. in az, street legal means if you can legally drive it on the hiway, then you can drive it in the park. there are details about legally driving on maintained roads, road signs that are vertical or horizontal, etc. i'm not a quad guy or law enforcement, so you are more famaliar with that than i. if you can legally drive a quad/UTV on the street or hiway in calif, then you Should be able to enjoy the same rights in az. ask the az state law guys to be sure on that one. i had the same question while at lee's ferry from a calif quad guy. the park ranger told me it is ok to drive on asphault in the park if the quad can do the same in cali.
you toy hauler guys out there pitch in if i'm wrong....
twodog wrote: yes, anywhere outside the wire boundry fence is fine for camping. that is parashaunt monument land. you will not have to drive all the back to the hiway. i think from the fence/cattleguard park entrance to the overlook is maybe 4-5 miles. tha cg is full only in the spring and fall seasons. most folks avoid the heat during the summer so the cg is never full. most of the visitors at that time are from out of this country. i feel they make up about 1/3 of all the visitors out here if not more.
re quads again. in az, street legal means if you can legally drive it on the hiway, then you can drive it in the park. there are details about legally driving on maintained roads, road signs that are vertical or horizontal, etc. i'm not a quad guy or law enforcement, so you are more famaliar with that than i. if you can legally drive a quad/UTV on the street or hiway in calif, then you Should be able to enjoy the same rights in az. ask the az state law guys to be sure on that one. i had the same question while at lee's ferry from a calif quad guy. the park ranger told me it is ok to drive on asphault in the park if the quad can do the same in cali.
you toy hauler guys out there pitch in if i'm wrong....
California will not license UTV's or Quads for street use. As far as I know they can't be modified enough to meet all the standards. Now I have heard stories of it happening but I've never seen it. I did once see a "dirt" bike licensed for street use by DMV, but that turned out to be a mistake by DMV. The bike didn't have turn signals, or a proper headlight, or street legal tires. Now I know you can modify a dirt bike to make it street legal, but you may as well get a dual sport bike if you're going to do that. If you could make a ATV street legal for California then you would ruin it's use for off road. I did take my quad to Utah once and they let you drive on many roads there without street registration.
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