Flashman wrote: Why does Ford keep stepping on the d&^k with their Diesel engines - they have not made a good since the 7.3! And yet the faithful keep buying them - go figure.
Perhaps not the most delicate way of phrasing it but I have wondered the same thing. I am not so quick to lump the 6.7 in the same pile as the 6.0 or 6.4 but because of the fact that these engines had such well documented problems, I would have expected FORD to really step up on the 6.7 and maybe go beyond what is even fair on the warranty claims just to make it right by their loyal customers. Not so much it appears. Yet the SD continues to lead in sales, even through the dark Oh no 6.0 days, I didnt understand it then, and its no clearer to me now (although even with the issues the 6.7 has, its launch has been 10X better than the previous engines were at this time). GM and Ram should be so lucky as to have a customer base that is as loyal to their brand as the FORD customers are to theirs.
Give Ford a chance.
If the problem is as difficult to track down and understand as it is beginning to appear, it will be quite some time before Bosch (the key party) say "opps" and own up to the issue.
500,000 units running this pump makes it the largest high volume application of the CP 4 pump in North America.
At this moment, there are fewer than 10 known failures in public due to unknown causes --- not obvious water in fuel, contamination.
Since Ford sells twice as many 3/4-1tons wouldn't it be logical to think that they would have twice as many chances to have problems. All things being equall, what if GM sold twice as many as Ford, would it be aceptable to think they would be the one on the chopping block. I realise some vehicles are more prone to problems than others, but given Fords bigger sales volume it just seems that the odds are against them. Not saying they can't get it right every time, but certainaly the odds get higher with larger volumes of sales.
Just a though, thats all.
Flashman wrote: Why does Ford keep stepping on the d&^k with their Diesel engines - they have not made a good since the 7.3! And yet the faithful keep buying them - go figure.
This statement makes the top 10 most pompuos statements I've read here to date!
Flashman wrote: Why does Ford keep stepping on the d&^k with their Diesel engines - they have not made a good since the 7.3! And yet the faithful keep buying them - go figure.
Perhaps not the most delicate way of phrasing it but I have wondered the same thing. I am not so quick to lump the 6.7 in the same pile as the 6.0 or 6.4 but because of the fact that these engines had such well documented problems, I would have expected FORD to really step up on the 6.7 and maybe go beyond what is even fair on the warranty claims just to make it right by their loyal customers. Not so much it appears. Yet the SD continues to lead in sales, even through the dark Oh no 6.0 days, I didnt understand it then, and its no clearer to me now (although even with the issues the 6.7 has, its launch has been 10X better than the previous engines were at this time). GM and Ram should be so lucky as to have a customer base that is as loyal to their brand as the FORD customers are to theirs.
Give Ford a chance.
Patience.
Why - look at how they handeled the 6.0 nightmare - deny there is a problem then move to a new engine ASAP.
How many new diesel motors have they had in the last 8 years - 3!
How many have Dodge and GM had?
Give Ford a chance? - they are (again) not standing behind their product.
Makes you wonder everytime you see a driver in a powerfluke - what were they thinking.
I surely don't know the total number of failures versus actual units in use for the Ford 6.7L diesel.
But good grief, despite threads like this, and other sites like the Ford Truck Enthusiast web site, these reports are generally, for the most part, still within the domain of no more than gossip or rumor.
Yes, I know Ricatic had a problem, and that is not rumor or gossip. But to go off on Ford (and I admit I typed without thinking too clearly and did it here yesterday) is just like a couple old ladies talking at the church social.
Lets take a step back, a deep breath, and relax a little and see what actually happens.
For all we imagine here, we are NOT a good sample of Ford truck owners, or any other brand, here in the US. We are actually a vast minority of owners, who seem to specialize in blowing problems out of proportion to what they actually might be.
The Mad Norsky, Doll, Logan, Korey & Rocky
2011 Ford F350 Power Stroke dually
RV'ing since 1991
We never know where we're going till we get there!
The Mad Norsky wrote: I surely don't know the total number of failures versus actual units in use for the Ford 6.7L diesel.
But good grief, despite threads like this, and other sites like the Ford Truck Enthusiast web site, these reports are generally, for the most part, still within the domain of no more than gossip or rumor.
Yes, I know Ricatic had a problem, and that is not rumor or gossip. But to go off on Ford (and I admit I typed without thinking too clearly and did it here yesterday) is just like a couple old ladies talking at the church social.
Lets take a step back, a deep breath, and relax a little and see what actually happens.
For all we imagine here, we are NOT a good sample of Ford truck owners, or any other brand, here in the US. We are actually a vast minority of owners, who seem to specialize in blowing problems out of proportion to what they actually might be.
Norsky
I understand your frustration with the HPFP discussion. However, there are many more verified Ford HPFP failures than mine. The issue is that the KoolAid drinkers are wont to deny any HPFP issue that occurred after an owner received a WIF warning. I have had guys contact me privately with information about Ford HPFP failures who did not want to go on FTE because of the "troll label" they might get for posting there. There is a member here and at FTE who works for a major utility in California. They have over 400 6.7 Ford's. He PM'ed me about their 6.7 HPFP failures. They have had several with some not being covered by warranty.
Titan fuel tanks have been blamed for several failures. The main problem has never been addressed. How is a WIF light the premise for negating the warranty on the HPFP? The WIF light is not supposed to be a "$12000 repair bill light". Ford makes the rules...you live by them...
Shame on Ford
Regards
Ricatic
Debbie and Savannah the Wonderdachsund
2009 Big Horn 3055RL
2006 Chevrolet Silverado 3500 Dually LTX with the Gold Standard LBZ Engine and Allison Transmission
2011 F350 Lariat SRW CC SB 4WD 6.7 Diesel POS Gone Bye Bye
Offline
