I had a 2004 6.0 and that thing was a piece of crap. I put 35k on it and got rid of it. Bed Plate leaking, injectors, EGR, Oil Cooler, Turbo, Ball Joints you name it broke. It was in the shop all the time. The only thing that was good about it was the tranny. It was 100% stock.
If I ever get a heavy trailer I'll buy a Chevy but for now I'll stick with my Tundra.
CampnFireman wrote: @Lantley. That is my biggest issue with the truck. It was never modded an old man had before me. The head gaskets were fixed under warranty but thats it the rest has been out of my pocket.
List your items fixed, and how / what diagnostics led to the "fix".
I am tired of making payments on something that seems like every 6 months I have to drop more money on. The truck right now does run good but key words being right now.
If you never use a tuner, maintain it religiously and properly, the 2006 model year is reasonably trouble free.
There are always exceptions.
The 6.0 is the best vehicle ever put out for scam artists and incompetent shops, who can count on talking gullible owners who read horror stories to put $20k in repairs into it in one sitting.
Trick is to sort out real from imagined problems.
@NEWSW. Do you have a 6.0 that hasnt given any problems? If so you are a very lucky man. Modded or not modded they seem to all give trouble.
Lets say if I listened to people moaning on forums, I would have ARPed it, new HG, replaced coolant, delete EGR, and spent $30k or more for nothing.
Fortunately, I spent $2,500 on a narrowly targeted set of repairs and mods (yes, mods, but not for additional power).
The last time I had a problem was a no start caused by a tank of summer fuel that gelled in -20F.
Fix, in real time, was $20 for a full bottle of Powerservice White poured into tank and then cranking until it finally started.
Count berating myself as an idiot for that in the cost...
Be up front with us.
Are you sure you had never run tunes (or prev owner had)?
I don't care if the prev owner is grandma who only took it to the bank on Sundays.... is there ANY evidence of tunes etc. being run?
A tad surprised that you needed HGs unless something was up. Or a misdiagnosis.
Did you pull the Oasis report and see what was actually done?
HPFP? Are you sure? Tell me the diagnostic that led to that issue?
Describe your maintenance schedule and materials used / how sourced (and previous schedule) as accurately as possible.
List the fixes and who / what / how led to the repairs being done.
When was the truck last flashed?
Have this truck ever been near any Biodiesel? Even just one tank of B5?
Without knowing the above, the typical cost to bring a 6.0 up to my spec is under $3,000 IF it was properly maintained and never abused.
Note that a major issue in your case is the competence and thoroughness of the repairs done to it.
More often than not, the repairs damaged things, did not do things right, and caused more problems down the line -- especially if the repair was not needed to begin with.
* This post was
edited 02/17/12 03:25pm by NewsW *
dave17352 wrote: I had a 2005 psd 6.0. I have never modded any trucks that i have owned. I would qualify for being a old man. 50 + . I know people with this same truck with no problems. I know more with problems. Lots of blown head gaskets. On my rig my egr cooler was replaced. That was the first thing, Then the head gaskets went out around 50 or 60k. Happened to be pulling to Branson at the time. Kind of a bummer. They had the truck for 2 weeks then we headed back. Funny thing the pipe that went to the turbo blew off on the way home. Kind of a pita. I have had many good fords and many good chevys over the years but my 05 Ford PSD 6.0 did not qualify as a good truck, period. Also I followed the recommended maintenance schedule. I will say one good thing is Ford covered all repairs minus their !00 deductable. I forgot to mention they also had me replace my radiator cap because of loss of fluid and there were a couple of other things I can't recall exactly what they were. At 60k i traded for a 2008 chevy duramax and now my present 2011. To date I have had a short on wiring which took 6 hours to fix on on trip. Thats it. All of that being said I have nothing against Ford but it is impossible for me to think the 6.0 was a good reliable motor.
JMHO
I don't doubt your story.
Your story is pretty typical.
What I doubt is that proper diagnostics was done.
Initial Root Cause:
Basically you had one problem --- plugging oil cooler (most likely the casting sand issue) that cascaded to all the problems.
This problem was there from day 1 with the failure manifesting itself first by casting sand plugging oil cooler, which was not noticed, and then coolant flow to oil then EGR cooler died -- causing it to fail.
That was your first EGR cooler.
If the initial problem was diagnosed (casting sand) and remedied with a proper coolant filter or by purging sand from the system, the EGR cooler would not have failed --- nor would the oil cooler and head gasket much later.
In order to fix it properly, they needed to fix the casting sand issue (flush and purge, or add a filter or both), the replace both the EGR and Oil Cooler TOGETHER.
If the EGR cooler was not properly repaired it will fail again, and with it, allow coolant ingress into the combustion chamber and then either blow Head Gaskets, or worse, hydrolock the motor.
That is your 2nd failure --- basically because they didn't fix it right the first time.
Bet when your HG went, they replaced the EGR cooler and oil cooler too.
By that repair, you had 2 through coolant flush / changes that eliminated the casting sand issue.
That would confirm my theory that the root cause was not properly diagnosed and repaired the first time, causing the second much more serious failure.
Pipe to turbo blowing off is normally the result of it not being installed properly (there is an upgraded set of clamps) and that is almost certain from the failure to replace the hoses / clamps properly when it was removed for the above repairs.
You have been had by incompetent techs.
Now, it is Ford's responsibility for techs that didn't know what they are doing, dealers that are incompetent, and a warranty administration system that didn't catch all this in good time.
But they did pay up on the warranty, so they can be forgiven.
NewsW : You sound very knowledgeable about these truck right up until you said that 2007-2010 were the 6.0s best years. You also said you would buy a 2010 6.0. My only problem with this statement is the last year they had them was 2007. So it completely washed everything else you said.
Happily married for 1 year now and hopefully more to come.
'06 Ford F-350 PSD CC LB SRW 4wd
'05 Keystone Sprinter
I had a 2005 psd 6.0. I have never modded any trucks that i have owned. I would qualify for being a old man. 50 + . I know people with this same truck with no problems. I know more with problems. Lots of blown head gaskets. On my rig my egr cooler was replaced. That was the first thing, Then the head gaskets went out around 50 or 60k. Happened to be pulling to Branson at the time. Kind of a bummer. They had the truck for 2 weeks then we headed back. Funny thing the pipe that went to the turbo blew off on the way home. Kind of a pita. I have had many good fords and many good chevys over the years but my 05 Ford PSD 6.0 did not qualify as a good truck, period. Also I followed the recommended maintenance schedule. I will say one good thing is Ford covered all repairs minus their !00 deductable. I forgot to mention they also had me replace my radiator cap because of loss of fluid and there were a couple of other things I can't recall exactly what they were. At 60k i traded for a 2008 chevy duramax and now my present 2011. To date I have had a short on wiring which took 6 hours to fix on on trip. Thats it. All of that being said I have nothing against Ford but it is impossible for me to think the 6.0 was a good reliable motor.
Are you saying that as long as the 6.0 was properly maintained, not modded. That it should run fine as is? I am sure I am missing something, because that certainly is not the case.
One word answer: Yes
Depending on year.
Each year up to mid 2006 had its own idiosyncrasies and things that were a particular problem and need to be addressed.
2007 to 2010 were the most trouble free years.
2003 was a write off unless you got a near mint one with less than 20,000 miles and then applied the fixes before anything else happened.
2004 was middling and possibly the most troubled, unless it is real low mileage, avoid.
2005 was the beginning of reliability but again low mileage is preferred to weed out problem cases.
2006 was decent.
If I can find a 2010 6.0 with low mileage... I would be soooo tempted.
* This post was
edited 02/17/12 03:48pm by NewsW *
NewsW, do you know the output ratings of the later 6.0Ls that went into the E-series?
Curious if they are derated, as I believe earlier 6.0Ls used in E-series were detuned to run cooler (if memory serves, due to being limited to a certain sized radiator in the E-series).
To the OP: I'd keep it, but that's just me; there's no right or wrong answer, only what you're comfortable with. I can understand that the image of it leaving you stranded is a hard one to shake.
Could be wrong, but I don't recall anyone taking the measures you have and still having problems with the 6.0L; seems you've tamed the shrew, why divorce her now?
BManning baking in Phoenix
2008 Ford Super Duty F250 XLT, 4x4, crew cab, 6.75' bed
5.4L V8 300hp/365ft-lb, 5sp Torqshift, 4.30 AAM gears
9400lb GVW 11200lb tow
2007 Volvo XC90 AWD V8
4.4L 311hp/325ft-lb, 6sp Aisin, loaded
6100lb GVW 5000lb tow
Are you saying that as long as the 6.0 was properly maintained, not modded. That it should run fine as is? I am sure I am missing something, because that certainly is not the case.
One word answer: Yes
Depending on year.
Each year up to mid 2006 had its own idiosyncrasies and things that were a particular problem and need to be addressed.
2007 to 2010 were the most trouble free years.
2003 was a write off unless you got a near mint one with less than 20,000 miles and then applied the fixes before anything else happened.
2004 was middling and possibly the most troubled, unless it is real low mileage, avoid.
2005 was the beginning of reliability but again low mileage is preferred to weed out problem cases.
2006 was decent.
If I can find a 2010 6.0 with low mileage... I would be soooo tempted.
THIS is what happens when someone is on a large-bore IV of Ford Kool-Aid!
John and Elizabeth (Liz), with 3 nutty cats
My beloved St. Bernard, Marm, lost him 1/2/12
Current rig:
1992 International Genesis school bus conversion
NewsW wrote: .......
If I can find a 2010 6.0 with low mileage... I would be soooo tempted.
The 6.0 was installed beginning mid year 2003 (early 2003 still had 7.3) and was installed thru model year 2007.
Beginning model year 2008 thru 2010 the 6.4 was installed.
Beginning model year 2011 they began the 6.7.
NewsW wrote: .......
If I can find a 2010 6.0 with low mileage... I would be soooo tempted.
The 6.0 was installed beginning mid year 2003 (early 2003 still had 7.3) and was installed thru model year 2007.
Beginning model year 2008 thru 2010 the 6.4 was installed.
Beginning model year 2011 they began the 6.7.
Incorrect.
6.0 was available right up to Dec 2009 (2010 model year) in the E-Series.
Production stopped when Ford ran out of engines around October or November.
The vehicles from 2008 onwards had to pay a EPA fine for exceeding emissions because they did not use a DPF.
CampnFireman wrote: NewsW : You sound very knowledgeable about these truck right up until you said that 2007-2010 were the 6.0s best years. You also said you would buy a 2010 6.0. My only problem with this statement is the last year they had them was 2007. So it completely washed everything else you said.
Grin.
Contact Ford and verify that the E series had a 6.0 diesel option right up to Dec. 2009 (the last time they can be legally manufactured before the even tighter 2010 emissions came into force).
The problem is the entire production by mid 2009 went to commercial builders, mostly those who built ambulances with them.
In as much as I like the 6.0, I prefer not to own one in a former ambulance.
Knowledge of these details separate the men from the boys.
* This post was
edited 02/18/12 06:52am by NewsW *
Offline
