RRUGG wrote: In 1970 gas was about 35 cents per gallon. Today it hovers around $4. I think if gas went up steadily since 1970 without all the present fluctuations, that it would probably be right where it is now and we'd not think anything about it. So I subtracted the 35 cents from the $4 and divided by 42 (years since 1970) and it came out less than 9 cents per gallon. I also compared the 1970 price to my income in 1970 and then compared the 44 to my present income and found that the $4 per gallon price takes about the same bite out of it that 35 cents did in 1970. Still doesn't change the fact that I cringe every time I look at the total every time I fill up.
I disagree. In 1970. I had to work 3 hours to buy gas to get to the beach, and back. $12.00. Now I have to work 7 hours to get to the beach and back. 119.00. And that was with a car that didn't get very good MPG. The one I took last week got 27 MPG, the one I took in 1970, got 16 mpg. Then gas was the least cost of the trip. Now it is the highest part of the trip, Especially when towing as it costs more to get the camper to the beach, than the site does for the week. So yeah. It's alot more, and will kill the economy.
Nothing changes the price more than what the supply and demand calls for. Big oil keeps the demand high by closing down refirneries thus less gas and deisel are made. Demand goes up, so does the price. Another factor is federal and state gas taxes. Federal is pretty consistant but states vary greatly on tax on gas.
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justaboutretired wrote: big oil keeps the demand high by closing down refirneries thus less gas and deisel are made.
Have not heard of big oil closing refineries, other than they can not meet EPA. laws. A Indidan reservation in N.D. has been trying to get a refinery built for years. Every time they submit a plan to EPA the there are new changes to be made back to the drawing board, submit plan new changes, back to the drawing board etc.ect.ect.
We all probably wont have to worry about it much longer as Dec 21 is just around the corner now when we all enter the galactic alignment with the center of our own Milky Way which only happens once every 26,000 years.. It appears on this 26,000 year cycle we will just miss the Dark Riff in the center of the Milky Way which some suggest is a massive "BLACK HOLE"...
Positions A, B, and C depict our every 1500 YEARS position in reference to the Milk Way. Position C occurs on 21 DEC 2012.
This may truly be a new age of all things to come. No one has has any idea on what is to come but one thing for sure is we will enter the Galatic Alignment with the Milk Way on 21 Dec 2012. $4-$5 a gallon for gasoline may not be the major concern after this all occurs.
I want to stock up on batteries for the RV trailer and really want to get a solar system charging technique thing going. The RV Trailer being self contained as it is may be a nice thing to have around during this time. At a minimum things may get a bit rough until it all sorts out things - being able to re-generate your power needs and keep warm may be the trick of the day to do for awhile. Of course the food supply will run out long before the re-generated power source will. "It is what it is" may be an understatement...
My Posts are IMHO based on my experiences - PM me Roy and Carolyn
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Redid my calculations regarding the 2012 gas bite relative to the 1970 bite. Misplaced decimal point had me making about $30,000 more per year than we actually take in. FWIW, we are both retired, have a decent income from pensions, social security, and mandated IRA withdrawals (because we're geezers, we HAVE to withdraw). However, we're anything but rich and we'll keep spending on gas for RVing because the kids will get whatever we don't spend. I know the prices are hard on anybody with a mortgage (or rent) with kids to raise, save for retirement, etc. Because our kids are raised and we owe nothing except current expenses, it makes it easier for us than for a lot of people.
RRUGG
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I don't think you can compare your income to the price of fuel. Maybe average U.S. income or some other measure. I would like to think over 40 years experience, education, and better jobs would create a higher income for a specific individual.
justaboutretired wrote: big oil keeps the demand high by closing down refirneries thus less gas and deisel are made.
Have not heard of big oil closing refineries, other than they can not meet EPA. laws. A Indidan reservation in N.D. has been trying to get a refinery built for years. Every time they submit a plan to EPA the there are new changes to be made back to the drawing board, submit plan new changes, back to the drawing board etc.ect.ect.
Whip out google maps and look at rouseville, pa.
Penzoil gasoline refinery is gone.
And it's not just refineries.
Look at Indiana, Armagh, Duncansville and Macungie all in PA.
Their tank farms and pipeline facilities are GONE.
The petroleum industry has embraced JIT (just in time) refining.
My penultimate coach, a 40'DP enjoyed?? 8MPG, then retired so big strain in the wallet. Now we truly "enjoy" a 19" American Cruiser Class B gasser so our trip "up North" and return from FL to Va only costs $520.00 !!!CRAZY!!!
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all 4 kids grown, healthy and ...gone
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