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SoCalDesertRider

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Posted: 04/27/12 09:10pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

egarant wrote:

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If you want to carry an extremely heavy camper on a crew cab truck, get an F450/550 or Dodge 4500/5500 cab/chassis crew cab truck. The cab/chassis trucks have 15,000-19,000 GVWR and 11,000-14,000 RGAWR. Plenty of weight carrying capacity to carry the very heaviest campers ever made, and then some...


Yes, that is the best solution, but at a much greater cost because you don't get a truck bed. I went online, called a service that makes a custom utility bed for your truck camper....$10,000. So add that cost to the equation.

The problem I have is that the truck camper industry is making truck campers of such enormous weight that the largest ones are not even close to being legal to carry on the highway with any 1 ton truck.
No amount of sway bars, air bags, Rancho shocks, stabil loads can legally change that.

I want to be able to drive down the freeway and not worry about me or YOU swerving to miss a blown out tire in the road and not losing control of 5,000 lbs of cargo.
A custom utility bed isn't needed to haul a truck camper on a cab/chassis truck. Sure, you can buy one if you want to, but a much cheaper off the shelf flat bed will haul the camper just as well. Add some under-deck or above-deck tool boxes to the flat bed for more storage capacity.


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Posted: 04/27/12 09:22pm Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

elkhornsun wrote:

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

If you want to carry an extremely heavy camper on a crew cab truck, get an F450/550 or Dodge 4500/5500 cab/chassis crew cab truck. The cab/chassis trucks have 15,000-19,000 GVWR and 11,000-14,000 RGAWR. Plenty of weight carrying capacity to carry the very heaviest campers ever made, and then some...


Why do that when a 3500 will more than carry the weight? I would think that a payload capacity of 5905 lbs. would be adequate for even an AF camper and leave 2000 lbs. for water, food, toys, etc.

With a heavier class of truck the owner pays more to buy and maintain the truck, more in fuel costs, more in DMV fees, more expensive tires, and this only makes sense if it is absolutely necessary, or like Mitt have money to burn.

The 2011-2012 GM/Chevy 3500HD Crew Cab long box has a payload capacity of 5,905 lbs. and the 2WD version has a payload capacity of 6,223 lbs. Greatest payload is with the 2WD regular cab and long box at 6,635 lbs.
There are many class 3 duallys out there that don't have the 6000 lb payload capacity you are talking about. My F350DRW has about 4000 lbs payload capacity before it reaches it's 11,000 lb GVWR (truck weighs about 7200 lbs empty). It has about 5000 lbs rear axle load capacity before it reaches it's 8250 lb RGAWR (rear axle weighs about 3200 lbs empty).

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I had a 2006 AF, wood frame, 1150. Max weight was about 5,300lbs. I used it trouble free for about 3 years. I replaced the factory overload for a 5 pack of springs from Rocky Mountain Spring. Anyway, after selling the TC, I got to thinking the truck was riding stiff and sitting on the overload springs. After removal and finally comparing to new springs, the AF had literally bent my factory springs by a considerable amount. I stopped traveling with so much water and packed less. To be fair, it had full black and gray tanks.


Love the camping life. 06 Host Rainier SS, 07 Classic GMC Sierra 3500 DRW.


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Posted: 04/28/12 06:37am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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The 2011-2012 GM/Chevy 3500HD Crew Cab long box has a payload capacity of 5,905 lbs. and the 2WD version has a payload capacity of 6,223 lbs. Greatest payload is with the 2WD regular cab and long box at 6,635 lbs.


Those numbers are for truck only , no options , no passengers , no tools , etc.. Almost impossible to achieve . GM claims a curb weight of 7084# , have you weighed your truck ? Then deduct that from GVWR of 13000# . Anything older than 2011 will be down around 12000# or lower .

GM weight confifurator shows a loaded LTZ/Dmax DRW and as elkhorn says has 59xx lb load capacity.....
Current Selections: CC30943 -- 2WD Crew Cab Long Box with Single or Dual Rear Wheel, C7J -- GVWR, 13,000 lbs. (5897 kg) with diesel engine, LML -- Engine, Duramax 6.6L Turbo Diesel V8, MW7 -- Transmission, Allison 1000 6-speed automatic, 1LZ -- LTZ (1LZ).

Also a std cab DRW LT at 6885 lbs capacity....
Current Selections: CC30943 -- 2WD Crew Cab Long Box with Single or Dual Rear Wheel, C7J -- GVWR, 13,000 lbs. (5897 kg) with diesel engine, LML -- Engine, Duramax 6.6L Turbo Diesel V8, MW7 -- Transmission, Allison 1000 6-speed automatic, 1LZ -- LTZ (1LZ).

For '11 GM raised their DRWs RAWR to 9375 from 8200-8500 RAWR to match Dodge 9350 RAWR and Fords 9000 RAWR.

GM online weight configurator is a excellent tool for figuring a trucks actual gross weights and axle weights for any optioned truck configuration. Much better than the estimating optional weights from a brochure.


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Posted: 04/28/12 06:00am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

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The 2011-2012 GM/Chevy 3500HD Crew Cab long box has a payload capacity of 5,905 lbs. and the 2WD version has a payload capacity of 6,223 lbs. Greatest payload is with the 2WD regular cab and long box at 6,635 lbs.


Those numbers are for truck only , no options , no passengers , no tools , etc.. Almost impossible to achieve . GM claims a curb weight of 7084# , have you weighed your truck ? Then deduct that from GVWR of 13000# . Anything older than 2011 will be down around 12000# or lower .


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ticki2 wrote:

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Even the 2008-2010 F450 Pickup rating, although not close to the CC, aren't bad either. F450 Crew Cab Math (the last line is what it boils down to):


Tires / Dually spec: 23000 lb.
Axel spec: Fr / Rear = 7000 / 11000 = 18000 lb
Axel Vehicle rating w/ camper package: Fr / Rear = 6500 / 9500 = 16000 lb
Total GVWR rating: 14500 lb
"Combined weight of occupants and cargo should not exceed" sticker inside door: 5411 lbs


If it's not a typo, then I'd imagine they drop the ratings to accomodate a higher center of gravity.

Interesting , why are the axle ratings lower with the camper package , or is that a typo ?



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Posted: 04/29/12 10:38am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

JIMNLIN wrote:

ticki2 wrote:

elkhornsun wrote:



The 2011-2012 GM/Chevy 3500HD Crew Cab long box has a payload capacity of 5,905 lbs. and the 2WD version has a payload capacity of 6,223 lbs. Greatest payload is with the 2WD regular cab and long box at 6,635 lbs.


Those numbers are for truck only , no options , no passengers , no tools , etc.. Almost impossible to achieve . GM claims a curb weight of 7084# , have you weighed your truck ? Then deduct that from GVWR of 13000# . Anything older than 2011 will be down around 12000# or lower .

GM weight confifurator shows a loaded LTZ/Dmax DRW and as elkhorn says has 59xx lb load capacity.....
Current Selections: CC30943 -- 2WD Crew Cab Long Box with Single or Dual Rear Wheel, C7J -- GVWR, 13,000 lbs. (5897 kg) with diesel engine, LML -- Engine, Duramax 6.6L Turbo Diesel V8, MW7 -- Transmission, Allison 1000 6-speed automatic, 1LZ -- LTZ (1LZ).

Also a std cab DRW LT at 6885 lbs capacity....
Current Selections: CC30943 -- 2WD Crew Cab Long Box with Single or Dual Rear Wheel, C7J -- GVWR, 13,000 lbs. (5897 kg) with diesel engine, LML -- Engine, Duramax 6.6L Turbo Diesel V8, MW7 -- Transmission, Allison 1000 6-speed automatic, 1LZ -- LTZ (1LZ).

For '11 GM raised their DRWs RAWR to 9375 from 8200-8500 RAWR to match Dodge 9350 RAWR and Fords 9000 RAWR.

GM online weight configurator is a excellent tool for figuring a trucks actual gross weights and axle weights for any optioned truck configuration. Much better than the estimating optional weights from a brochure.


Where did you find this GM weight configurator? Love to take a look at it!

Thanks!


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Even the 2008-2010 F450 Pickup rating, although not close to the CC, aren't bad either. F450 Crew Cab Math (the last line is what it boils down to):


Tires / Dually spec: 23000 lb.
Axel spec: Fr / Rear = 7000 / 11000 = 18000 lb
Axel Vehicle rating w/ camper package: Fr / Rear = 6500 / 9500 = 16000 lb
Total GVWR rating: 14500 lb
"Combined weight of occupants and cargo should not exceed" sticker inside door: 5411 lbs


Interesting , why are the axle ratings lower with the camper package , or is that a typo ?

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Posted: 04/28/12 09:36am Link  |  Print  |  Notify Moderator

SoCalDesertRider wrote:

If you want to carry an extremely heavy camper on a crew cab truck, get an F450/550 or Dodge 4500/5500 cab/chassis crew cab truck. The cab/chassis trucks have 15,000-19,000 GVWR and 11,000-14,000 RGAWR. Plenty of weight carrying capacity to carry the very heaviest campers ever made, and then some...


Even the 2008-2010 F450 Pickup rating, although not close to the CC, aren't bad either. F450 Crew Cab Math (the last line is what it boils down to):


Tires / Dually spec: 23000 lb.
Axel spec: Fr / Rear = 7000 / 11000 = 18000 lb
Axel Vehicle rating w/ camper package: Fr / Rear = 6500 / 9500 = 16000 lb
Total GVWR rating: 14500 lb
"Combined weight of occupants and cargo should not exceed" sticker inside door: 5411 lbs


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