Atlee wrote: Unfortunately, using the OP's supplied UVW and the TV's max tow rating, he only has #455 of capacity. And that doesn't include the hitch weight. It doesn't include the tongue weight. It doesn't include any passengers or equipment in the TV. It doesn't include any pots and pans, chairs, BBQ equipment, food, water or propane.
That TT is way too much for his TV.
Terryallan wrote:
CalamityRver wrote: another question and no offense intended. Why go by the GVWR? isnt the UVW the true weight of the camper? I realize that propane has weight and my gear has weight also. I assume all the tanks are empty while travelling or very little at least. Isnt the GVWR the max the trailer weighs with all the tanks full, propane tanks full and my gear/cargo factored in?
Myself I don't go by the GVWR of the TT, as I know it will NEVER weigh that much. I go by the yellow sticker on, or around the door. It is the actual dry weight of the TT including battery, propane, and all factory installed options. That is the true dry weight. Then I add around 700lbs to that, and I'm real close to the loaded, ready to camp weight of the TT. I know that, Because after loading my current TT. I weighed it, and that is how much I added.
Having said all that. I personally believe the TTs you have chosen will be too much for the Burb. IMOP. You need to be under 5000lbs Yellow sticker dry weight. Then your TT will come in somewhere around 6000 lbs loaded. but with empty holding tanks.
IF you are wanting a Bunk house. Surveyer has a very nice one, and the yellow sticker has it at 4600 lbs. Sleeps 9, and is 30' Bumper to ball.
We agree. But I do think he could tow a 4600lb DRY TT. That is 2000lb underr his high, and 1000lb under the lowest one he has chosem.
FWIW:
A 1500 is likely not up to the job. (28'to 30' trailers)
Not big enough, Not strong enough, Not enough cargo capacity.
I know I'll be bashed by some, but I'm speaking from my own experience.
On paper you can tow with your 1500. However...
Those of us who have already been down that road will tell you that just because your vehicle will move the load, don't make it safe to do so. From my experience... A 1500 reacts poorly to bad roads, mine bounced around and was blown around by passing 18 wheelers.
In effect my trailer was trying to drive my truck. Wind would try to steer me into harms way.
I loved my 1500, but it wasn't a great tow vehicle.
I traded for a F-250, and solved my problem.
Larger truck, Strong as a bull, More cargo capacity.
My truck now shows little if any movement from heavy wind or passing trucks. My larger truck don't Porpoise on bad highway bumps.
For me... A larger truck took the 'WHITE KNUCKLE' out of towing.
I also have a GMC sierra 2500 series with crew cab. High miles though. I know this will tow with no issues. However the truck will hold 5 people comfortably and the suburban will hold 7 comfortably. This is the reason for the need for suburban. Unless of course I put my inlaws in the back of the truck .
hhmmmmm
CalamityRver wrote: ---I was never taught the GVWR and all that. The dealer was pretty simple.. he said the UVW was under TV specs so your ok. UGH.
GVWR = Gross Vehicle Weight Rating specified by the vehicle manufacturer.
TV GVWR is the maximum allowable combined load on the TV's front and rear axles. The value usually can be found on a sticker on the driver's door or door pillar.
TV GVW is the actual combined load which is the sum of the TV's "Curb Weight", passengers (excluding 150# driver), optional equipment, cargo, weight distribution hitch, and trailer-imposed vertical load. The GVW should not exceed the GVWR.
TT GVWR is the maximum allowable weight of trailer and contents including weight of fresh water and waste water.
TT GVW is the actual weight of trailer and contents. TT GVW should not exceed TT GVWR.
TT "dry weight" or UVW (Unladed Vehicle Weight) can be very confusing because it has several definitions.
The Brochure/Website "dry weight" usually is the weight of a minimally-equipped trailer model.
The as-built UVW can be found on a federally-mandated placard attached to the trailer. This value includes all factory-installed accessories and full load of propane. If a dealer installs any additional items totalling more than 100#, an updated placard is supposed to be installed.
Quote: ---Why go by the GVWR? isnt the UVW the true weight of the camper? I realize that propane has weight and my gear has weight also. I assume all the tanks are empty while travelling or very little at least. Isnt the GVWR the max the trailer weighs with all the tanks full, propane tanks full and my gear/cargo factored in?
IMO, you can ignore the trailer's GVWR unless you actually plan to load it to that value. Most people do not.
You should start with the as-built (or as-modified) UVW. Then add your best estimate of how much stuff you will carry in the trailer.
The sum of UVW plus stuff is the trailers estimated GVW. The GVW shoud not exceed the GVWR.
It appears the "UVW" of 5725# actually is the Brochure/Internet "dry weight". One dealer shows a 267BHS with a "dry weight" of 5970#. So, you probably should assume a UVW of about 6000#.
That means you would have 7200-6000 = 1200# to divide between the stuff you add to the trailer and the passengers, cargo, etc, you would be carrying in/on the TV. Only you know whether you can or would want to achieve that.
Quote: ---Having said that it seems that I need to find a TT that will weigh no more than #5000, #5500 in total? Once I get close to #6000-#6500 it will tax my TV, even though its still #700 under weight. This will make it much much easier to search for my perfect TT, thanks again.
It's up to you to decide how close you want to come to the ratings of your TV. Keep in mind those ratings are specified by the TV's manufacturer.
None of us can tell you how close you will come to any of the ratings unless we have more information about the tow vehicle, how much you plan to load into the tow vehicle, and how much you plan to load into the trailer.
If you keep the weight of passengers, etc carried in/on the TV to 700#, a loaded trailer weight of 6500# would put you at 100% of what the TV manufacturer says the TV can tow.
Quote: ---This is the reason for the need for suburban. Unless of course I put my inlaws in the back of the truck.
You started with "2 adults and 3 kiddos". Now you've added inlaws. Doesn't look as though you will be able to limit the weight in the TV to 700#.
ok all, I have narrowed it down to two TT. the hybrid Jayco x23f 25feet long and weight of UVW of 4025 + the assumed 1000 total being #5025. And the Jayco swift 264BH UVW 4565 + the again assumed 1000 total being #5565 this one is 30 feet long. Both are under weight limit within the margins suggested by all in this forum and this pleases me. Now for the final decision. one is 25feet and one is 30 feet. How much is this going to affect driving ( cross country at times) and how if any is this going to limit my access to any parks.
thanks again all. you are the magic makers. You saved me a boat load of money by not taking delivery of that heavier TT.
CalamityRver wrote: I also have a GMC sierra 2500 series with crew cab. High miles though. I know this will tow with no issues. However the truck will hold 5 people comfortably and the suburban will hold 7 comfortably. This is the reason for the need for suburban. Unless of course I put my inlaws in the back of the truck .
hhmmmmm
Errrrrr - 7 passengers in the 'Burb is going to use up MOST of your payload. It sure won't leave 700#+ for the tongue weight of the trailer.
Check the "Tire and loading" label on your door pillar for the actual payload rating, then deduct the weight of occupants to see what's left.
IMHO you should use the pickup!
Keith J.
1999 Sunnybrook 27RKFS Fiver.
2005 GMC Sierra 2500HD CC/SB/DA 2WD, LBZ air cleaner, 52 gal Titan tank, Bilsteins, Line-X, Westin steps, Prodigy, Retrax cover, 16K Superglide, 5th-Airborne pin-box, Multi-vex mirrors, TST TPMS.
CalamityRver wrote: I also have a GMC sierra 2500 series with crew cab. High miles though. I know this will tow with no issues. However the truck will hold 5 people comfortably and the suburban will hold 7 comfortably. This is the reason for the need for suburban. Unless of course I put my inlaws in the back of the truck .
hhmmmmm
Leave the inlaws at home! Or let them buy their own rig. Problem solved.
It depends on the park. Our unit is 24' LOA and we purposely kept it as short as possible that met our needs/wants. Some of the state/national parks in NH (where we camp most) are very tight both in length and width of the site. You'll need a fair amount of room to back in a 30 footer. If you plan to only use "RV" parks which cater to the larger units then 30' won't be an issue. Also, if you never towed something that long before keep in mind you'll need to make wider turns; look out for trees, signs and poles on inside corners.
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